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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    He's been down this road before -- potential, production, and then a slide off into mediocrity. Blame injuries and overweight LOOGYs all you want, but Austin Kearns has all but completely lost the luster that he had when he broke into the bigs a few seasons back. When the team could've used him to produce and be trade fodder for pitching, he was injured or non-productive (partly by the team's own doing when they sent him to AAA).

    I agree with FCB -- get him out of town while he's hot and his value is high before pitch nicks him on the finger and he loses all ability to swing a bat for 2 months.
    Yeah, Austin pretty much sealed his fate by the ripe old age of 24 I guess. Amazing, even when the guy's going good, some would rather still search for his warts.
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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by OldXOhio
    Yeah, Austin pretty much sealed his fate by the ripe old age of 24 I guess. Amazing, even when the guy's going good, some would rather still search for his warts.
    No, it's called being steadfast in terms of knowing what the team needs and not letting a good month blind me to the fact that he played like a fat dog for three seasons.

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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by OldXOhio
    Yeah, Austin pretty much sealed his fate by the ripe old age of 24 I guess. Amazing, even when the guy's going good, some would rather still search for his warts.
    He's going good now -- and when you run a baseball team you can never let the singular instance of "now" blind you to the many tomorrows that you have to deal with.

    The Reds have a winning record, but it isn't going to stay that way when the rotation features two guys currently who have no "out" pitch that can reliably retire major league hitters and two replacements on the DL who have no velocity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    No, it's called being steadfast in terms of knowing what the team needs and not letting a good month blind me to the fact that he played like a fat dog for three seasons.
    I'm somewhere in the middle here. I think AK will be, at a minimum, a solid RF for this team for a good amt of time. But this team needs pitching in the worst kind of way and if there is a buyer out there with excess young DIFFERENCE-MAKING pitching, then I am all "Ears".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    No, it's called being steadfast in terms of knowing what the team needs and not letting a good month blind me to the fact that he played like a fat dog for three seasons.
    Josh Hancock and his good month say hello.
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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    when we trade half our offense as most on this site seem to want to do and we get a pitcher all we are going to do is go from winning 10-8 games to losing 2-1 games...yes we need pitching but do we really need to trade 75% of our team away to get it????

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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    No, it's called being steadfast in terms of knowing what the team needs and not letting a good month blind me to the fact that he played like a fat dog for three seasons.
    Out of curiosity, what would it realistically take for you to "erase" said 3 seasons?

    FWIW, Kearns I feel is and should the the next WMP for Arroyo guy on the team. I am just not dogging him for seeming to find his way back, no matter what the previous excuses may be. 1 week is easy to write off as a lucky streak, but a great month of .950 OPS and above average OBP could just be a guy everyone expected to be awesome finally getting it together (at an age younger than me I might add.)

    Did you have it as much together as you demand of Kearns in your early twenties?
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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

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    Josh Hancock and his good month say hello.
    Apple meet orange.

    I'm not saying Josh Hancock is going to win any pitching awards, or that Josh Hancock should be preserved because he's going to be a fixture in the bullpen for years to come. I'm perfectly aware of Hancock's replaceability and limitations. My issue in the Hancock situation is not to stick to stupid arbitrary rules for the sake of the rule, and to keep the bird in the hand instead of trying to french-kiss the retarded bird in the bush.

    But I can assure you, if Hancock were to bring in a commodity we needed more, he'd be the first one out the door.

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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    I think your stretching it a bit with the 3 season claim FCB. Kearns was pretty good in 2003 until he got hurt. last year was the one that really pissed me off, b/c I really think he was still hurt in 2004.
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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by DoogMinAmo
    Out of curiosity, what would it realistically take for you to "erase" said 3 seasons?
    Nothing, at this point. The ship has sailed. Soon (very soon) his salary is going to well outpace his worth to the team. We needed him the last three seasons. He went AWOL.

    Now it's time to cash him in.

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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    Without knowing all the specifics of the Hancock situation....it's been stated pretty consistently that his lack of conditioning was considered the main culprit for his year off. The front office, Narron, whoever, had a heart to heart at the end of the year putting him on notice to drop 17 pounds by the time he got to ST. He showed up at ST without dropping A pound. If he had lost only 15 and they cut him, they yes, it was a stupid, arbitrary rule. He essentially flipped them and their rules the bird, and they acted as any employer should.

    Kearns on the other hand, wasn't getting the conditioning lesson either, and was sent to AAA to think about it. He chose to lose some weight, not whine publicly, and instead show he was a team player. He then took the off-season to show up in the best condition of his life. Austin may have had the same attitude as Hancock in recent years, but he's proving he wants to be here. The fact that he is far and away the Reds best defender doesn't make me think we could trade 'up' with him right now anyway. LaRue is the guy that needs to go, but that's a whole 'nother story.
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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by VR
    Without knowing all the specifics of the Hancock situation....it's been stated pretty consistently that his lack of conditioning was considered the main culprit for his year off. The front office, Narron, whoever, had a heart to heart at the end of the year putting him on notice to drop 17 pounds by the time he got to ST. He showed up at ST without dropping A pound. If he had lost only 15 and they cut him, they yes, it was a stupid, arbitrary rule. He essentially flipped them and their rules the bird, and they acted as any employer should.

    Kearns on the other hand, wasn't getting the conditioning lesson either, and was sent to AAA to think about it. He chose to lose some weight, not whine publicly, and instead show he was a team player. He then took the off-season to show up in the best condition of his life. Austin may have had the same attitude as Hancock in recent years, but he's proving he wants to be here. The fact that he is far and away the Reds best defender doesn't make me think we could trade 'up' with him right now anyway. LaRue is the guy that needs to go, but that's a whole 'nother story.

    I think it's a very bad idea to miss out on a chance to acquire top-shelf pitching in order to keep around your "best" defender--Kearns is at best a slightly above-average defender. Not something you keep around when you have the chance to get pitching into this god-forsaken franchise.

    But I agree that Larue should go too.

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    Hey Falls, from most of your post i've seen tonight it looks like you want to win NOW... Who cares about the next 5-7 years... You want it this year...

    Austin has had some bad luck the last few years... granted about everyone in Cincinnati has had it... But, we are looking at a GREAT baseball player in Kearns.

    Maybe the ownership isn't lookin to trade Kearns this year, or even next year. They might just go ahead and land that huge starting pitcher FA that we've always wanted and we get to KEEP Kearns.

    Austin is gonna be an above average major league right fielder. Even thou, his stats in the past don't support that... But he is gonna be a good guy to have around once we do make that playoff run, and seris run in the next 5-7 years bro.
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    Re: 5/7/06 - Reds vs. Diamondbacks Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    He's going good now -- and when you run a baseball team you can never let the singular instance of "now" blind you to the many tomorrows that you have to deal with.

    The Reds have a winning record, but it isn't going to stay that way when the rotation features two guys currently who have no "out" pitch that can reliably retire major league hitters and two replacements on the DL who have no velocity.
    I would not actively shop Austin i.e. shopping him around for the next best Braves prospect, but I would like to see what is out there in return for him. It would be much better to trade him now or a month from now thn it would to wait till July when he lands on the DL again. I do not think he is going to regress back to last years numbers. I think he can keep this up for as long as he is healthy. But you do not know how long that is going to be. Everyone wants to hold on to a guy when he is putting up good numbers and is healthy. But when he slumps or gets hurt, the same people want to ship him out but they expect a lot more value in return for him than what he is really worth. If you believe Denorfia is the real thing, then you should not have a problem trading Kearns. Platoon him with Q if you dont feel he will have a tough time with righties. But you are going to have to make a decision about Kearns sooner or later. If you want to keep him around, be prepared to pay him $6 to 7M a year for 3 or 4 years. If you go year to year with him, there is no guarantee he will even stay here when he is eligible for free agency. Then you are bidding against 29 other teams and may have to over pay to keep him.
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