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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

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    Timing is perfect to grab McPherson. Plop him in at 1B and let him hit.
    buy low and now would be a perfect time. He seems likely to always be behind Wood, Kotchman, Morales and likely Figgins.

    One problem the Reds have is zero organizational depth. There are a number of positions where there is no one in the minors close to providing depth. There is little infield depth in the entire organization and no one even remotely close to helping at the majors.

    Votto may turn out to be a heck of a player but throwing all your eggs in his basket is not a good idea. McPherson could be some cheap insurance but who knows at this point if the Angels would be inclined to let him go.
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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    Steel, I know his stats, I have actually been a big fan of his for a while, but I guess I addressed my question wrong. If you do go after and get him, what do you do with Votto? Hang him out there for a trade? Let him sit around and rot?
    Superdude did a good job of addressing the timetable.

    And flyer is right- putting all of one's eggs in a Joey Votto basket isn't the best play. Nothing wrong with having more talent than you need, particularly when the guy you're looking to acquire has a much higher projectible upside than the next best internal alternative.
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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

    Here's a comparison - I'll ask the question - you stat guys can find this quicker than I can.

    Dallas McPherson or Ryan Shealy?
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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

    Hmmm... tough one. Both played in similar hitter-friendly Texas League/PCL environments. Both have similar minor-league batting lines. McPherson is slightly younger and was slightly ahead in the development curve, but Shealy has shown a little more home-run power.

    I think most people would say McPherson because the ability to play third base makes one more valuable than a similar hitter who plays only first, and he might be a little more athletic and thus age better. But if we presume we're looking for a regular first baseman, then it really becomes a toss-up. So my answer: Whichever one can be obtained more cheaply.
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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath
    Here's a comparison - I'll ask the question - you stat guys can find this quicker than I can.

    Dallas McPherson or Ryan Shealy?
    Island Red has a good breakdown so I'll go along with that and add one thing: I believe that McPherson has had some back issues in the past few years and I thought I heard at one point that they were thought to be chronic. Don't know if that is still the prevailing wisdom, but it's something to consider. Having said that, a move to first might help out the back problems if they are indeed recurring.
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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

    Right now, Im staying away from McPherson. 7-1 strikeout to walk ratio this year? He has 4 singles and 20 extra base hits.....and 49 strikeouts in 102 at bats. I am staying away from that.

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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    Right now, Im staying away from McPherson. 7-1 strikeout to walk ratio this year? He has 4 singles and 20 extra base hits.....and 49 strikeouts in 102 at bats. I am staying away from that.
    No offense, doug, but as long as you're using K's as a primary indicator for hitters, you're going to miss a lot on the evaluation side. McPherson has been jerked around by the Angels for 1+ seasons now and his current sample size is 102 AB. If you're going to allow that to trump over 1,800 Minor League PA, then I really don't know what to tell ya'.

    At his worst (right now), the guy is producing a AAA OPS of .907 but you appear to be concerned about his Singles rates when he has 9 Doubles, 3 Triples, and 8 Home Runs? That's not a negative. It's a positive.
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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

    Steel, normally it wouldnt bother me so much. But in AAA if you are striking out 50% of the time, when you get to the big leagues, you are in 90% of the cases, strike out even more than that.

    Yeah his career numbers speak a little better, but all it screams out is something is very wrong with his swing right now. Be it just something actually wrong with his swing, he is hurt and compensating somewhere....I dont know. Something isnt right though.

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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    Steel, normally it wouldnt bother me so much. But in AAA if you are striking out 50% of the time, when you get to the big leagues, you are in 90% of the cases, strike out even more than that.
    doug, problem is that he's got a long history of performance that demonstrates his projectible upside. 102 AB isn't so much as a drop in the bucket. Furthermore, K rates don't correlate with production so you're looking at an irrelevant "indicator". That's bad- particularly when said indicator isn't representative of the player's actual ability and performance history (including his MLB history).

    Yeah his career numbers speak a little better, but all it screams out is something is very wrong with his swing right now. Be it just something actually wrong with his swing, he is hurt and compensating somewhere....I dont know. Something isnt right though.
    Let's look at it from another perspective. At McPherson's worst (right now), he's "failing well" (and it's still resulting in a .900+ OPS). That's significantly better than someone who's "succeeds poorly" (see: Cabrera, Melky).

    Obviously, I'd want a complete physical on any player acquired. That being said, nothing in McPherson's history should keep anyone from trying to rescue him from the Angels.
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    Re: Dustin Moseley runs record to 5-1 with complete game victory

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    Steel, I know his stats, I have actually been a big fan of his for a while, but I guess I addressed my question wrong. If you do go after and get him, what do you do with Votto? Hang him out there for a trade? Let him sit around and rot?
    Hi Doug,

    It's my opinion that we need to collect all the talent we can. If Votto ends up being a ML player too, that's a nice problem to have. We can always trade surplus talent for another need.
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