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    And we want Willis why?

    0-3 in May, ERA just under 13 (12.89), opponents are batting .411 against him this month, and he's sporting a robust 6+ ERA for the season.

    He didn't even make it out of the 3rd inning last night against the Braves.

    Thread title says it all, why do we want to hedge our future for this guy?

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    We shouldn't, at this point. But I wouldn't call Willis washed up just yet. There's clearly something going on there -- either an injury or problems with mechanics. This is just too bad a year for someone that good.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    I was surprised to see in looking at some stats the other day that Willis has low K rates. It seems the goofy windup is no longer baffling hitters and his flat fastball is hittable. I noticed the Braves righties simply took him the other way as he predictably worked the outer half of the plate thanks to some good analysis (believe it or not) on Baseball Tonight.

    But his lack of performance is not going to help the Marlins in what they get for him if they're of a mind to trade him.
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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    Mechanics...the guy is a mess and was getting by on the "WTH kind of wind up is that?!?"

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    which means we may ctually be able to pick him up cheaper??
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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    I'd still go after him,what pitcher doesn't struggle?When he's on, he's nearly unhittable.

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    That guy is a good pitcher--he's on a garbage team, with indifferent ownership (for this year.) Pick him up ASAP.
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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    That guy is a good pitcher--he's on a garbage team, with indifferent ownership
    He also has an odd and straining delivery.

    Good ownership can't fix that.

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    we want him because we have memories both of his pitching and of our own pitching

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    we want him because we have memories both of his pitching and of our own pitching
    What if HE turns into Ernie Broglio (whom BTW had a bad elbow when they traded him)

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    Quote Originally Posted by NatiRedGals
    which means we may ctually be able to pick him up cheaper??
    He should be cheaper unless he starts pitching better. He still has a name, and teams will want him because they think that their pitching coach can fix whatever is wrong with him. Teams won't be willing to give up as much as they were a month ago though. I just wonder what his cost would be now. A lot depends on how desperate the Marlins are to deal them. They may be in a position where they are afraid of his price dropping even further. I'd still deal for him, but I'd be looking for bargain basement prices right now. I wonder if the Cardinals have any interest in him. The Cardinal hitters teed off on him last week though,

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    What if HE turns into Ernie Broglio (whom BTW had a bad elbow when they traded him)
    Or even worse.... What if he turns into anouther former Marlin we traded for...

    Ryan Dempster.

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z-Fly
    Or even worse.... What if he turns into anouther former Marlin we traded for...

    Ryan Dempster.
    Who became effective for the Cubbies upon moving to the 'pen. The Reds just didn't use him correctly.

    oh, and Dempster was nothing special when the Reds got him, he was living off of one good year.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    He also has an odd and straining delivery.

    Good ownership can't fix that.
    Didn't Hideo Nomo also lose some effectiveness after the league figured out his unorthodox delivery?
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    Re: And we want Willis why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu
    Didn't Hideo Nomo also lose some effectiveness after the league figured out his unorthodox delivery?
    Guys like Willis and Nomo are slaves to their mechanics, all pitchers are, but the guys with the real odd ones are a little more iffy, especially if they get a little injury here or ther, throws them off and then they throw their arms off.


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