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    Value Over Regular Person

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    For those of you that aren't sabermetrics friendly, a commonly used statistic is Value Over Replacement Player or VORP. It's used to measure the number of runs contributed by a player beyond what would be contributed by an average Major League Player. For example Albert Pujols is roughly 30 runs better than your run of the mill average MLB player or basically anyone on the Royals roster.

    For Yadier Molina, he is 11 runs worse than an average player right now. Now some (Tony LaRussa) will lay out the standard Mike Matheny theory of horrible offense - "he's so good w/ the staff and defensively that whatever he gives us offensively is a plus." With that in mind, we here at the Daily Redbird have determined that comparing a player like Molina to an average MLB player isn't fair. Instead we've retooled the formula and come up with a new version of VORP especially for the Cardinals struggling catcher - Value Over Regular Person.

    This way we're not comparing him to a baseball player, so much as someone who has never picked up a bat.

    This week we're comparing him to (stats below):


    Kip Winger, former leader singer of Winger


    Yadier Molina, Catcher

    STATS

    Kip

    AVG: .000
    OBP: .000
    SLG: .000
    Songs about a 17 year old girl: 1
    Chest hair: Lots
    VORP: -10

    Yadier

    AVG: .168
    OBP: .220
    SLG: .218
    Songs about a 17 year old girl: 0
    Chest hair: Unknown
    VORP: +10

    Based on those stats, it looks like the Cardinals are about 10 runs better off with Molina than if Kip Winger was behind the plate this weekend. Cardinals fans can breathe easy that the offensive prowess of their catcher is slightly better than a 80's Hair Rock star.
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    Re: Value Over Regular Person

    Funny.

    Although someone needs to tell Daily Redbird that "replacement player" is not the same as "average player."
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    He's selling Kip Winger short. I ran into him in a local mall back when he was "big" (weird thing, he was standing in WaldenBooks reading an article about himself in a magazine--Winger was playing in town that night), and he was wearing a really cool, hand-painted jacket with his name on it. I'll bet Yadier doesn't have one of those. : Probably none of the Flying Molinas do.

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    Re: Value Over Regular Person

    hahahahhaahhahaahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by tixe
    He's selling Kip Winger short. I ran into him in a local mall back when he was "big" (weird thing, he was standing in WaldenBooks reading an article about himself in a magazine--Winger was playing in town that night), and he was wearing a really cool, hand-painted jacket with his name on it. I'll bet Yadier doesn't have one of those. : Probably none of the Flying Molinas do.
    I had a hand-painted front "license" plate for my car with my name on it. My girlfriend gave it to me when I was about 17. I was so cool back then, I son't know what the heck happened!

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    Right about now I'm wondering if the Cardinals win the World Series with Kip Winger instead of Yadier Molina...
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    Kip Winger was a master of playing the open E-string on his bass with his right hand while pointing with his left hand. Let's see Yadier do that.

    Well, okay, Yadier could do that. Anyone with two hands could do that.

    But they wouldn't look as cool doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savafan View Post
    Right about now I'm wondering if the Cardinals win the World Series with Kip Winger instead of Yadier Molina...
    Obviously they would have, and they would have swept too.

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    Now if Chris Widger was compared to Kip Winger..........
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