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    Thoughts from tonights game

    Felipe Lopez
    Edwin Encarnacion
    Austin Kearns
    Really good players

    FEAR

    The 3 of them are the only ones doing anything with the bats. All 3 have been good basically the entire year (outside of FeLo's slump). Keep it up boys

    Elizardo Ramirez

    Maybe we have found something here. Yes he is 1-3, but that ain't his fault. He has an ERA around 3. If he keeps that up wins will come. At 23, maybe he is coming into his own.

    The Bullpen
    Sucks

    Adam Dunn
    Does he know that he is playing baseball? He is in a slump (a long one at that) and it doesn't seem to matter where you play him, he is going to make key errors.

    Ryan Freel
    Keep him away from the field. Whenever he plays, bad things happen. Maybe if he goes on the DL he can get some 'rest' and not be worn out.

    Saturday's lineup should be
    Felipe
    EE
    Griffey
    Kearns
    Dunn
    Hatte
    Phillips
    LaRue
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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    Dave Williams is pitching tomorrow...

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    I agree we definitely need the bullpen to be shored up. We can't keep going on with the guys we have. Mercker, Hammond, and White all have had very bad outings and Shack caught the bug tonight it's time for Wayne to evaluate the bullpen if we are to continue at the pace we are at.

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    Reds pitching and defense gradually reverting to its old form. Last 7 games have allowed the following run totals: 7, 3, 8, 7, 6, 4, 8. Average is over 6 per game.

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    Tonight, I'd say the BP pitch (or lack thereof) was the Reds' worst problem.
    "Enjoy this Reds fans, you are watching a legend grow up before your very eyes" ... DoogMinAmo on Adam Dunn

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    I agree with you Reds44. Ramirez is raw, but it appears he knows to pitch. He's gotta stay over Dave (batting practice) Williams when Milton returns. Freel needs a vacation. The bullpen needs a complete overhaul. And Dunn, does he know football doesn't start until September? He's a football player in a Reds uni. On the bright side, I think he could be a great tight end for the Bengals. Speaking of football, the Reds will need to score two touchdowns tonight to win with Williams starting.

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    I'm hoping that bullpen help is coming when Milton returns to the rotation and a starter can be bumped to the bp. Maybe it will help turn around DWs year to only pitch one inning at a time. It has to improve his velocity.

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    Felipe Lopez
    Edwin Encarnacion
    Austin Kearns
    Really good players

    FEAR

    The 3 of them are the only ones doing anything with the bats. All 3 have been good basically the entire year (outside of FeLo's slump). Keep it up boys
    If your discounting Felo's slump, wouldn't you say that basically Dunn has been really good the entire year outside of his slump?

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    I would word it differently.....Dunn has been really bad the entire year outside of 13 dingers and a few other hits.
    > :lindner:

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle1976
    I would word it differently.....Dunn has been really bad the entire year outside of 13 dingers and a few other hits.
    What I'm really saying is that nothing should be discounted. Overall both Lopez and Dunn have been very good. In fact, Dunn has been our best hitter so far this season (albeit by a close margin over EE and Kearns).

    Dunn has been excellent this year as usual, and there is absolutely no need to be worried over his hitting.

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns
    What I'm really saying is that nothing should be discounted. Overall both Lopez and Dunn have been very good. In fact, Dunn has been our best hitter so far this season (albeit by a close margin over EE and Kearns).

    Dunn has been excellent this year as usual, and there is absolutely no need to be worried over his hitting.
    Dunn has been our 4th best hitter at best. Felipe, Kearns, and EE have all been better.

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    Dunn has been our 4th best hitter at best. Felipe, Kearns, and EE have all been better.
    Based on what?

    Code:
             OPS   OBP   SLG  RC27  
      Dunn: .963  .386  .577  7.96 
    Kearns: .954  .388  .566  7.49 
        EE: .943  .393  .550  7.60 
     Lopez: .808  .376  .432  6.83
    Dunn, Kearns, and EE have all been very good, and there is an argument for each of them, but IMO Dunn is gets the nod because he is the leader in RC/27.

    Lopez isn't even in the argument. He is easily last in all of the metrics above.

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns
    Based on what?

    Code:
             OPS   OBP   SLG  RC27  
      Dunn: .963  .386  .577  7.96 
    Kearns: .954  .388  .566  7.49 
        EE: .943  .393  .550  7.60 
     Lopez: .808  .376  .432  6.83
    Dunn, Kearns, and EE have all been very good, and there is an argument for each of them, but IMO Dunn is gets the nod because he is the leader in RC/27.

    Lopez isn't even in the argument. He is easily last in all of the metrics above.
    Batting Average, OBP, RBIs.

    Maybe 4th best was exxagerated, but he certainly hasn't been the best. AK and EE have both veen better.

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    I dunno....a .386 OBP is a nice problem to have if you ask me.
    What if this wasn't a rhetorical question?

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    Re: Thoughts from tonights game

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    Felipe Lopez
    Edwin Encarnacion
    Austin Kearns
    Really good players

    FEAR

    The 3 of them are the only ones doing anything with the bats. All 3 have been good basically the entire year (outside of FeLo's slump). Keep it up boys

    Elizardo Ramirez

    Maybe we have found something here. Yes he is 1-3, but that ain't his fault. He has an ERA around 3. If he keeps that up wins will come. At 23, maybe he is coming into his own.

    The Bullpen
    Sucks

    Adam Dunn
    Does he know that he is playing baseball? He is in a slump (a long one at that) and it doesn't seem to matter where you play him, he is going to make key errors.

    Ryan Freel
    Keep him away from the field. Whenever he plays, bad things happen. Maybe if he goes on the DL he can get some 'rest' and not be worn out.
    I'm not getting into the Adam Dunn debate. He is what he is and when they quit playing with his hitting philosophy, he'll be fine. but...

    You may be onto something with Ramirez. He seems to get into trouble often, but apparently has a couple of "out pitches" that serve him well (I didn't get to see last night's game or any of his other starts). He certainly looks better than Williams. Maybe Williams should go to the pen and leave Lizard in the rotation? Nah, that's too logical.

    As for Freel, he continues to prove he's not an everyday player. If I remember correctly (and that's open to debate), when he played a lot two years ago he would slump badly and make horrible decisions when he got tired. Well, he's been doing the same thing this year. I also question his baseball judgement (we won't get into his judgement in other areas). He can do some wonderful things with his speed and hustle, but he also does some really boneheaded things. When playing sparingly, it seems he's more focused. I have watched him over the last ten games and he's constantly taking three strikes in a row or making boneheaded running decisions. Let him be a bench player. That's what he's suited for and nothing more.

    The bullpen will get fixed in good time. WayneK will make good moves to shore up this problem. My biggest fear is that we'll lose some cogs on the club that we don't want to lose, but then again that's the tradeoff and the chance we have to take. Last night's game at 2-2 was a golden opportunity. Their bullpen responded and ours fell flat.
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