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    Breakdown of previous draft steals

    I didn't know whether to stick this in the minor league forum or on here, so I'll just post it here. Mods, feel free to move it if you want.

    With the draft coming up I started thinking of how many steals there have been through the major league baseball draft. It seems like in the NBA and NFL that most of the star players are 1st round picks, baseball not so. A lot of MLB stars are 2nd, 3rd, 8th, and 13th, and sometimes even 40th and 50th round picks. Some guys(Piazza) are just drafted because of family ties to an organization, yet he turned in a Hall of Famer. With that being said, I have went over the top 50 hitters and pitchers (by OPS and WHIP) in 2006 and then listed their draft position.

    Top 50 hitters by OPS, draft position

    Albert Pujols - Selected by St. Louis Cardinals in 13th round (402nd overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Jim Thome - Selected by Cleveland Indians in 13th round in the 1989 Major League draft.

    Jason Giambi - Selected by Oakland Athletics in 2nd round (58th overall) of 1992 amateur entry draft

    Alex Rios - Selected by Toronto Blue Jays in 1st round (19th overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Jonny Gomes - Selected by Tampa Bay Devil Rays in 18th round (529th overall) of 2001 amateur entry draft

    Nick Swisher - Selected by Oakland Athletics in 1st round (16th overall) of 2002 amateur entry draft

    Travis Hafner - Selected by Texas Rangers in 31st round (923rd overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft

    Casey Blake - Selected by Toronto Blue Jays in 7th round (189th overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft

    Vernon Wells - Selected by Toronto Blue Jays in 1st round (5th overall) of 1997 amateur entry draft

    Carlos Lee - Signed as undrafted free agent by Chicago White Sox in 1994

    Chris Shelton - Selected by Pittsburgh Pirates in 33rd round (984th overall) of 2001 amateur entry draft

    Miguel Cabrera - Signed as undrafted free agent by Florida Marlins in 1999

    Lance Berkman - Selected by Houston Astros in 1st round (16th overall) of 1997 amateur entry draft

    Morgan Ensberg - Selected by Houston Astros in 9th round (272nd overall) of 1998 amateur entry draft

    Carlos Beltran - Selected by Kansas City Royals in 2nd round (49th overall) of 1995 amateur entry draft

    Nick Johnson - Selected by New York Yankees in 3rd round (89th overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft

    Carlos Delgado - Signed as undrafted free agent by Toronto Blue Jays in 1988

    Miguel Tejada - Signed as undrafted free agent by Oakland Athletics in 1993

    Brad Hawpe - Selected by Colorado Rockies in 11th round (317th overall) of 2000 amateur entry draft

    Pat Burrell - Selected by Philadelphia Phillies in 1st round (1st overall) of 1998 amateur entry draft

    Eric Chavez - Selected by Oakland Athletics in 1st round (10th overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft

    Paul Konerko - Selected by Los Angeles Dodgers in 1st round (13th overall) of 1994 amateur entry draft

    David Ortiz - Signed as undrafted free agent by Seattle Mariners in 1992

    Ryan Howard - Selected by Philadelphia Phillies in 5th round (140th overall) of 2001 amateur entry draft

    Derek Jeter - Selected by New York Yankees in 1st round (6th overall) of 1992 amateur entry draft

    Troy Glaus - Selected by Anaheim Angels in 1st round (3rd overall) of 1997 amateur entry draft

    Manny Ramirez - Selected by Cleveland Indians in 1st round (13th overall) of 1991 amateur entry draft

    Josh Willingham - Selected by Florida Marlins in 17th round (491st overall) of 2000 amateur entry draft

    Barry Bonds - Selected by Pittsburgh Pirates in 1st round (6th overall) of 1985 amateur entry draft

    Brian McCann - Selected by Atlanta Braves in 2nd round (64th overall) of 2002 amateur entry draft

    Hank Blalock - Selected by Texas Rangers in 3rd round (105th overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Matt Holliday - Selected by Colorado Rockies in 7th round (210th overall) of 1998 amateur entry draft

    Prince Fielder - Selected by Milwaukee Brewers in 1st round (7th overall) of 2002 amateur entry draft

    Mike Lowell - Selected by Chicago White Sox in 48th round (1352nd overall) of 1992 amateur entry draft

    Adam Dunn - Selected by Cincinnati Reds in 2nd round (50th overall) of 1998 amateur entry draft

    Kevin Mench - Selected by Texas Rangers in 4th round (118th overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Magglio Ordonez - Signed as undrafted free agent by Chicago White Sox in 1991

    Chase Utley - Selected by Philadelphia Phillies in 1st round (15th overall) of 2000 amateur entry draft

    Alex Rodriguez - Selected by Seattle Mariners in 1st round (1st overall) of 1993 amateur entry draft

    Craig Wilson - Selected by Toronto Blue Jays in 2nd round (47th overall) of 1995 amateur entry draft

    Shea Hillenbrand - Selected by Boston Red Sox in 10th round (301st overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft

    Austin Kearns - Selected by Cincinnati Reds in 1st round (7th overall) of 1998 amateur entry draft

    Hanley Ramirez - Signed as undrafted free agent by Boston Red Sox in 2000

    Jorge Posada - Selected by New York Yankees in 24th round (629th overall) of 1990 amateur entry draft

    Joe Crede - Selected by Chicago White Sox in 5th round (137th overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft

    Gary Matthews Jr. - Selected by San Diego Padres in 13th round (366th overall) of 1993 amateur entry draft

    J.D. Drew - Selected by St. Louis Cardinals in 1st round (5th overall) of 1998 amateur entry draft

    Bobby Abreu - Signed as undrafted free agent by Houston Astros in 1990

    Edwin Encarnacion - Selected by Texas Rangers in 9th round (274th overall) of 2000 amateur entry draft

    Ramon Hernandez - Signed as undrafted free agent by Oakland Athletics in 1994

    Breakdown of top 50:

    16 first-rounders
    Five second-rounders
    Two third-rounders
    One fourth-rounder
    Two fifth-rounders

    Five were taken from rounds 6-10
    Six were taken from rounds 11-20
    One from rounds 21-30
    Two were taken from rounds 31-40
    One from 41-50

    Nine were signed as undrafted free agents from other countries(Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Panama).

    Other notables:

    Marcus Giles-53rd round
    Brian Giles-17th round
    Mike Piazza-62nd round
    Jeff Kent-20th round
    Jason Bay-22nd round

    Top 50 pitchers by WHIP, draft position


    Pedro Martinez - Signed as undrafted free agent by Los Angeles Dodgers in 1988

    Jose Contreras - Signed as undrafted free agent by New York Yankees in 2002

    Bronson Arroyo - Selected by Pittsburgh Pirates in 3rd round (69th overall) of 1995 amateur entry draft

    Mike Mussina - Selected by Baltimore Orioles in 1st round (20th overall) of 1990 amateur entry draft

    Roy Halladay - Selected by Toronto Blue Jays in 1st round (17th overall) of 1995 amateur entry draft

    Tom Glavine - Selected by Atlanta Braves in 2nd round (47th overall) of 1984 amateur entry draft

    Javier Vazquez - Selected by Montreal Expos in 5th round (140th overall) of 1994 amateur entry draft

    Chris Capuano - Selected by Arizona Diamondbacks in 8th round (238th overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Jeremy Bonderman - Selected by Oakland Athletics in 1st round (26th overall) of 2001 amateur entry draft

    Jason Schmidt - Selected by Atlanta Braves in 8th round (206th overall) of 1991 amateur entry draft

    Jarrod Washburn - Selected by California Angels in 2nd round (31st overall) of 1995 amateur entry draft

    Curt Schilling - Selected by Boston Red Sox in 2nd round (39th overall) of 1986 amateur entry draft

    John Lackey - Selected by Anaheim Angels in 2nd round (68th overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    David Bush - Selected by Toronto Blue Jays in 2nd round (55th overall) of 2002 amateur entry draft

    Brandon Webb - Selected by Arizona Diamondbacks in 8th round (249th overall) of 2000 amateur entry draft

    John Smoltz - Selected by Detroit Tigers in 22nd round (574th overall) of 1985 amateur entry draft

    Greg Maddux - Selected by Chicago Cubs in 2nd round (31st overall) of 1984 amateur entry draft

    Tony Armas Jr. - Signed as undrafted free agent by New York Yankees in 1994

    Jake Peavy - Selected by San Diego Padres in 15th round (472nd overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Derek Lowe - Selected by Seattle Mariners in 8th round (215th overall) of 1991 amateur entry draft

    Kenny Rogers - Selected by Texas Rangers in 39th round (815th overall) of 1982 amateur entry draft

    Chris Carpenter - Selected by Toronto Blue Jays in 1st round (15th overall) of 1993 amateur entry draft

    Johan Santana - Signed as undrafted free agent by Houston Astros in 1995

    Dan Haren - Selected by St. Louis Cardinals in 2nd round (72nd overall) of 2001 amateur entry draft

    Chris Young - Selected by Pittsburgh Pirates in 3rd round (89th overall) of 2000 amateur entry draft

    Brett Tomko - Selected by Cincinnati Reds in 2nd round (54th overall) of 1995 amateur entry draft

    Barry Zito - Selected by Oakland Athletics in 1st round (9th overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Sean Marshall - Selected by Chicago Cubs in 6th round (163rd overall) of 2003 amateur entry draft

    Woody Williams - Selected by Toronto Blue Jays in 28th round (732nd overall) of 1988 amateur entry draft

    John Koronka - Selected by Cincinnati Reds in 12th round (350th overall) of 1998 amateur entry draft

    Wandy Rodriguez - Signed as undrafted free agent by Houston Astros in 1999

    Jamie Moyer - Selected by Chicago Cubs in 6th round (135th overall) of 1984 amateur entry draft

    Jon Lieber - Selected by Kansas City Royals in 2nd round (44th overall) of 1992 amateur entry draft

    Brad Penny - Selected by Arizona Diamondbacks in 5th round (155th overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft

    Josh Beckett - Selected by Florida Marlins in 1st round (2nd overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Aaron Harang - Selected by Texas Rangers in 6th round (195th overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Roy Oswalt - Selected by Houston Astros in 23rd round (684th overall) of 1996 amateur entry draft

    Brett Myers - Selected by Philadelphia Phillies in 1st round (12th overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Kelvim Escobar - Signed as undrafted free agent by Toronto Blue Jays in 1992

    Justin Verlander - Selected by Detroit Tigers in 1st round (2nd overall) of 2004 amateur entry draft

    Chan Ho Park - Signed as undrafted free agent by Los Angeles Dodgers in 1994

    Nate Robertson - Selected by Florida Marlins in 5th round (146th overall) of 1999 amateur entry draft

    Clay Hensley - Selected by San Francisco Giants in 8th round (247th overall) of 2002 amateur entry draft

    Freddy Garcia - Signed as undrafted free agent by Houston Astros in 1993

    Jeff Francis - Selected by Colorado Rockies in 1st round (9th overall) of 2002 amateur entry draft

    Tim Hudson - Selected by Oakland Athletics in 6th round (185th overall) of 1997 amateur entry draft

    Aaron Cook - Selected by Colorado Rockies in 2nd round (70th overall) of 1997 amateur entry draft

    Jamey Wright - Selected by Colorado Rockies in 1st round (28th overall) of 1993 amateur entry draft

    Tim Wakefield - Selected by Pittsburgh Pirates in 8th round (200th overall) of 1988 amateur entry draft

    Mark Mulder - Selected by Oakland Athletics in 1st round (2nd overall) of 1998 amateur entry draft

    Breakdown of top 50:

    11 first-rounders
    10 second-rounders
    Two third-rounders
    0 fourth-rounders
    Three fifth-rounders

    10 were taken from rounds 6-10
    Two were taken from rounds 11-20
    Three from rounds 21-30
    One from rounds 31-40

    Eight were signed as undrafted free agents

    Other notables:

    Zach Duke-20th round
    Dontrelle Willis-8th round
    Andy Pettitte-22nd round
    Kevin Millwood-11th round
    Mark Buehrle-38th round

    As you see, if you are lucky you can find a great player in late rounds, maybe because they are supposedly too short(Oswalt), not athletic enough(Shelton), or teams shy away because they think a player may play another sport(Smoltz).
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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    I think it shows the value of scouting in other countries and, more importantly, the need for a world wide draft.

    Nice work on that compilation.

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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    I just realized that I have no memory of the Aaron Harang trade -- knew he came from Oakland, couldn't remember who we gave up. so I looked it up and found that it was Jose Guillen.

    1. That trade happened at the deadline. Now, this was when Oakland had Mulder, Zito, Hudson, Lilly and Harden, so ok, their starting pitching was in pretty good shape. I don't remember their outfield situation. But Guillen was a free agent at the end of the season, and they had to know he'd command a little money, something the A's are known to avoid. In short, was this trade viewed as a little batty at the time? Did the Reds actually make out like bandits for once or was Harang viewed as purely a throwaway?

    2. Harang was sent to us with Joe Valentine (ok, I remember him) and "Jeff Bruksch". Who?
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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    The A's OF situation at the time was pretty brutal, Terrence Long and Eric Byrnes were starting for them, and Jermaine Dye was always on the DL. But I also don't remember anyone thinking all that much of Harang at the time, either.

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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    I have to assume that Oakland also received some draft compensation picks when they let him walk at the end of the year.

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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj
    The A's OF situation at the time was pretty brutal, Terrence Long and Eric Byrnes were starting for them, and Jermaine Dye was always on the DL. But I also don't remember anyone thinking all that much of Harang at the time, either.
    I loved Harang at the time of the deal. If that trade thread is still in the archives, we'd be able to see. Harang came up for the A's earlier that season, I believe and K'd 10 people in his first start. I knew he'd be a good one, although, to be honest, I didn't think he would be consistently good like he was last year, or so far this year.

    Thought Valentine would be more than what he was, and though Bruksch was a worthless throw in, which he was.
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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    Harang and Claussen have switched roles. Claussen was supposed to be the "stud" gotten from the trades while Harang was the "4/5" starter. However Claussen didn't recover his arm strength after his TJ surgury and Harang improved his work ethic which caused his arm strength to modestly rise, which improved his overall outlook performance IMO. Strange how things workout.

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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie_Free
    I have to assume that Oakland also received some draft compensation picks when they let him walk at the end of the year.
    Thought so too, but I looked it up and they didn't get anything.

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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    Vladimir Guerrero was also un-drafted, and he is arguably the most naturally talented player in the entire world.

    The draft can be a farce (Shawn Abner), or it can be like winning the lottery (George Kenneth Griffey, Junior).
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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    Quote Originally Posted by Hap
    Vladimir Guerrero was also un-drafted, and he is arguably the most naturally talented player in the entire world.

    The draft can be a farce (Shawn Abner), or it can be like winning the lottery (George Kenneth Griffey, Junior).
    Only undrafted b/c he was ineligible for the draft.

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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    Shame Johnny Almerez (sp?) couldn't sign Miguel Cabrera when he scouted him.

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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    In short, was this trade viewed as a little batty at the time? Did the Reds actually make out like bandits for once or was Harang viewed as purely a throwaway?
    At the time, it seemed like a good deal. The Reds were picking up a servicable starting pitcher and a pitching prospect, while the A's were getting a much-needed bat for the stretch run.

    While the A's would probably like to have Harang back now, his loss didn't really hurt the organization that much.
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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    I thought JD Drew was drafted by the Phillies but refused to sign?
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    whoops.
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    Re: Breakdown of previous draft steals

    Quote Originally Posted by StillFunkyB
    I thought JD Drew was drafted by the Phillies but refused to sign?
    I believe he was drafted by the Phils and refused to sign, and then re-entered the draft where he was taken by the Cardinals and signed.
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