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    Does anyone shed a tear whenever they see the pitching line for Scott Kazmir?

    Cry, or shed a tear, or punch a wall whenever they are watching espn and then see on the bottom line the pitching line of Scott Kazmir

    He went 7 innings, struck out 11, and got his 7th win of the year. I wasn't too concerned at the time of the draft when the reds didn't go after him. I forget who they got that year (Gruler?). But now, thinking that the reds passed on him is almost gut wrenching.

    Come on Homer, I hope he pans out

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    Under that ownership, the Reds had virtually no chance of signing Kazmir. Boras was his agent, and a vulture like Boras would have approached negotiations with this club with a redder butt than normal. Everybody knew the Reds were cheap.

    Who knows what Chris Grueler could have been. Without the injury, maybe he's here right now with Arroyo and Harang. I can't isolate that particular decision as a coulda/woulda. It was just the byproduct of a seriously flawed organization.
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    Heck no, he's on all 3 of my fantasy teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santo Alcala
    Under that ownership, the Reds had virtually no chance of signing Kazmir. Boras was his agent, and a vulture like Boras would have approached negotiations with this club with a redder a** than normal. Everybody knew the Reds were cheap.

    Who knows what Chris Grueler could have been. Without the injury, maybe he's here right now with Arroyo and Harang. I can't isolate that particular decision as a coulda/woulda. It was just the byproduct of a seriously flawed organization.
    It wasn't money however, the Reds legitly considered Kazmir, he wasn't going to school either, Adam Dunn knew him personally and said he would help with negotiations. He would have been in house by 2003. Gruler was just THAT loved and Jimbo broke the tie. There was also Prince Fielder, Hamels and Francis as well.

    That Kazmir fell to 15 was a laugher as his polish and stuff were top 3 good. The Pirates taint looking to good either.

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    nice call w/ kazmir on your team, i'm sittin pretty with brandon webb and pedro on mine, plus my closers of lidge, k-rod, and izzy. you winning your league?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santo Alcala
    Under that ownership, the Reds had virtually no chance of signing Kazmir. Boras was his agent, and a vulture like Boras would have approached negotiations with this club with a redder a** than normal. Everybody knew the Reds were cheap.

    Who knows what Chris Grueler could have been. Without the injury, maybe he's here right now with Arroyo and Harang. I can't isolate that particular decision as a coulda/woulda. It was just the byproduct of a seriously flawed organization.
    I don't think the Reds have ever had a problem dealing with Boras. In fact, I believe they have signed Boras clients in the past. Unfortunately, it has sometimes involved creative solutions that end up biting them in the behind in the past (See Espinosa, David and Sardinha, Dane).
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    Nope, if we'd drafted him he'd be on arm surgery 3 by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    Nope, if we'd drafted him he'd be on arm surgery 3 by now.
    That's something I think about all the time. Do the Reds draft people who are on the brink of arm surgery or do they run them into the ground when they get to the pros?
    The Reds have had "bad luck" with HS pitchers (Gruler and Howington) and college pitchers (Gardner and Pauly).
    The one thing I did read b/f the draft was that Gruler was a big righty who was better built for the long haul and Kazmir was a small lefty who was predicted to break down. Guess that couldn't have been more ironic.

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    I'm pretty sure Kazmir was not a Boras client.
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    No, he was. He would have been the first pick without a doubt.
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric
    No, he was. He would have been the first pick without a doubt.
    I don't think so...Upton went 2 and he was a much better prospect than Kazmir. The Pirates has $ issues and went with Bullington #1.

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    Kazmir would have gone top 5 for sure, if MLB had slotted signing bonuses like the NBA. Most teams would have taken Upton that year (2002).
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    Here are Jim Callis and Allan Simpson's top 100 for Baseball America, finalized days before the draft:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/onlin...p100index.html

    Top 100 Prospects
    Compiled by Allan Simpson and Jim Callis.

    Baseball America's top 100 list identifies the top draft-eligible prospects in the country. It is not intended to represent the actual order in which players will be selected.

    1. B.J. Upton, ss Video Clip

    2. Scott Kazmir, lhp Video Clip

    3. Bryan Bullington, rhp

    4. Adam Loewen, lhp

    5. Jason Neighborgall, rhp

    6. Bobby Brownlie, rhp

    7. Chris Gruler, rhp Video Clip

    8. John Mayberry Jr., 1b Video Clip

    9. Cole Hamels, lhp

    10. Zack Greinke, rhp Video Clip

    11. Jeremy Guthrie, rhp

    12. Scott Moore, ss Video Clip

    13. Jeremy Hermida, of

    14. Jeff Baker, 3b

    15. Jeff Francis, lhp

    16. Clint Everts, rhp-ss Video Clip

    17. Joe Saunders, lhp

    18. Joseph Blanton, rhp

    19. Russ Adams, ss-2b

    20. Denard Span, of Video Clip

    21. Matt Whitney, 3b

    22. Jeff Francoeur, of

    23. Mark McCormick, rhp Video Clip

    24. Prince Fielder, 1b Video Clip

    25. Luke Hagerty, lhp

    26. Royce Ring, lhp

    27. Drew Meyer, ss

    28. Sergio Santos, ss Video Clip

    29. Kevin Jepsen, rhp

    30. Darrell Rasner, rhp

    31. Anthony Reyes, rhp

    32. Jon Lester, lhp

    33. Brent Clevlen, of

    34. Nick Swisher, 1b-of

    35. Khalil Greene, ss

    36. Brian Dopirak, 1b Video Clip

    37. Dave Bush, rhp

    38. Matt Cain, rhp

    39. Jeff Clement, c Video Clip

    40. Brian Slocum, rhp

    41. Blair Johnson, rhp

    42. Micah Owings, rhp Video Clip

    43. Brian McCann, c Video Clip

    44. Adam Donachie, c Video Clip

    45. John McCurdy, ss

    46. James Loney, lhp

    47. Greg Miller, lhp

    48. Derick Grigsby, rhp

    49. Eric Thomas, rhp

    50. Micah Schilling, 2b Video Clip

    51. Wardell Starling, rhp-of Video Clip

    52. Zach Hammes, rhp Video Clip

    53. Ben Fritz, rhp-c

    54. Zach Segovia, rhp

    55. Jason Pridie, of

    56. Jake Blalock, ss

    57. Travis Ishikawa, 1b-of

    58. Nick Bourgeois, lhp

    59. Trevor Hutchinson, rhp

    60. Mike Esposito, rhp

    61. Steve Doetsch, of

    62. Jonathan Broxton, rhp Video Clip

    63. Michael Johnson, 1b

    64. Tyler Parker, c

    65. Robbie Sovie, of

    66. Bill Murphy, lhp

    67. Rich Hill, lhp

    68. Jason Cooper, of

    69. Romelio Lopez, rhp

    70. Chris Snyder, c

    71. Brandon Weeden, rhp Video Clip

    72. Steven White, rhp

    73. Chadd Blasko, rhp

    74. Kris Harvey, rhp

    75. Justin Jones, lhp

    76. Christian Madson, rhp Video Clip

    77. Taber Lee, ss

    78. Mark Romanczuk, lhp Video Clip

    79. Larry Broadway, 1b

    80. Jesse Crain, rhp

    81. Matt Farnum, rhp

    82. Rory Shortell, rhp

    83. Dan Meyer, lhp

    84. Cory Shafer, 1b Video Clip

    85. Jesse English, lhp

    86. Xavier Arroyo, of

    87. Sean White, rhp

    88. Curtis Granderson, of

    89. Brandon Jones, 3b-of

    90. Alex Hart, rhp

    91. Brett Nyquist, lhp

    92. Forrest Beverly, lhp

    93. Aaron Coonrod, rhp

    94. Tom Wilhelmsen, rhp Video Clip

    95. Clay Dirks, lhp

    96. Elijah Dukes, of Video Clip

    97. Justin Maureau, lhp

    98. O.J. King, rhp

    99. Charlie Morton, rhp

    100. David Jensen, 1b
    How, then, are those people of the future—who are taking steroids every day—going to look back on baseball players who used steroids? They're going to look back on them as pioneers. They're going to look back at it and say "So what?" - Bill James, Cooperstown and the 'Roids

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    that list makes me sick to my stomach

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    Wow that list is full of young players that are up right now.


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