Turn Off Ads?
Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Minor League Closers

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Sanders, Ky
    Posts
    40

    Minor League Closers

    Does anyone have any info on Hendley of Dayton, Shafer and Guevara at Chattanooga and Abe Woody of Sarasota. I'm curious as to how hard they throw. They all have good numbers so maybe help is on the way.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    He has the Evil Eye! flyer85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    south of the border
    Posts
    23,858

    Re: Minor League Closers

    Quote Originally Posted by RedRed
    Does anyone have any info on Hendley of Dayton, Shafer and Guevara at Chattanooga and Abe Woody of Sarasota. I'm curious as to how hard they throw. They all have good numbers so maybe help is on the way.
    Most major league closers were not closers in their minor league career.
    What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

  4. #3
    Box of Frogs edabbs44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    16,314

    Re: Minor League Closers

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    Most major league closers were not closers in their minor league career.
    That is true...a lot of the good ones learn more pitches as starters, which helps them later on.

  5. #4
    Smells Like Teen Spirit jmcclain19's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    6,490

    Re: Minor League Closers

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    Most major league closers were not closers in their minor league career.
    Actually, this argument intrigued me - so I went and a did a little research to check how true that statement is

    Here are the some of the games top closers and setup guys - and outlined when, or if, they were converted from starting games.

    Jason Isringhausen
    Converted after four MLB seasons
    Derrick Turnbow
    Converted after being a Rule V pick from Low A ball
    Todd Jones
    Converted at AA
    Brad Lidge
    Converted upon promotion to MLB
    Jose Valverde
    Been a reliever entire pro career
    Francisco Rodriguez
    Converted at AA
    David Weathers
    Converted after fifth MLB season
    B.J. Ryan
    Been a reliever entire pro career
    Danys Baez
    Converted at AA, but he did start for most of his 2nd MLB season
    Brian Fuentes
    Converted at AAA
    Mariano Rivera
    Converted after 1st MLB season
    Billy Wagner
    Converted upon promotion to MLB
    Ryan Dempster
    Converted after six MLB seasons
    Bob Wickman
    Converted after two MLB seasons
    Trevor Hoffman
    Been a reliever his entire career
    Huston Street
    Drafted as a reliever
    Chad Cordero
    Drafted as a reliever
    Joe Nathan
    Converted after two MLB seasons
    Eddie Guardado
    Converted after two MLB seasons
    Francisco Cordero
    Converted at High A
    Armando Benitez
    Been a reliever his entire pro career
    Eric Gagne
    Converted after three MLB seasons
    Mike MacDougal
    Converted after one MLB season
    Octavio Dotel
    Converted after two MLB seasons
    Akinori Otsuka
    Been a reliever his entire MLB career
    Duaner Sanchez
    Converted at AA
    Mike Timlin
    Converted at High A
    Jose Mesa
    Converted after six MLB seasons
    Scot Shields
    Converted upon promotion to MLB - but spent much of his 3rd seasons starting
    Kyle Farnsworth
    Converted after one MLB season
    Braden Looper
    Converted at AA
    Arthur Rhodes
    Converted after four MLB seasons
    Fernando Rodney
    Been a reliever his entire pro career
    Justin Duchscherer
    Converted upon promotion to MLB
    Roberto Hernandez
    Converted upon promotion to MLB
    Todd Coffey
    Been a reliever entire pro career
    Neal Cotts
    Converted after one MLB season
    Chad Qualls
    Converted upon promotion to MLB
    Scott Linebrink
    Converted at AAA
    Dan Wheeler
    Converted after two MLB seasons

    So here it is, the results from this completely subjective and unscientific survey. We'll divide them up into four groups- those who have spent their whole careers as relievers, those who were converted in the minors, those converted when promoted to the bigs and those who were converted after at least one year the majors. Now, I know the nature of the beast is that many of these guys had a couple of starts here and there - like Scot Shields and Danys Baez, but I've tried to look at when exactly they became a full time reliever, not just a spot starter.

    Out of 40 total - here are the numbers
    No Converts
    9
    Minor Converts
    9
    Promotion Converts
    7
    Major Converts
    15


    Much more spread out than I would have thought, but interesting nonetheless. Certainly does still feed the notion that Converted starters make up the bulk of relievers now a days. But there are still more career relievers and low end converts than I would have expected in the numbers. Like I stated earlier, an unexact and incomplete data pool to pull from, but fun either way.
    Last edited by jmcclain19; 05-22-2006 at 02:11 AM.

  6. #5
    Member Coffeybro's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Chesnee SC
    Posts
    330

    Re: Minor League Closers

    Todd Coffey
    Been a reliever entire pro career
    You may want to edit the previous post and redo the numbers. Todd was originally a starter in the minors. Even after the Tommy John surgery he spot started 9 games and did relief work.
    The following link has his stats up to last year.

    http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...d-coffey.shtml
    There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary and those that don't.

    They wheeled a 3x4 steel safe into the clubhouse Sunday morning to store the players' valuables. It took four guys to lift it off a dolly and onto a table.

    Said pitcher Kent Mercker: "What's that, Junior Griffey's wallet?"

  7. #6
    He has the Evil Eye! flyer85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    south of the border
    Posts
    23,858

    Re: Minor League Closers

    ANother point is even guys that get converted to relief aren't necessarily minor league closers. There are a couple of reasons for this and there was a really well done recent article on this that IIRC was either at BP or THT.
    What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand

  8. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Sanders, Ky
    Posts
    40

    Re: Minor League Closers

    Even if none become Major League closers, they might help at the big league level in the future. Does anyone know if they are hard throwers or are they just minor league fill material?


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25