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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Quote Originally Posted by membengal
    Cincinnati's success will continue to annoy the ESPN talking heads...they put Cincy in their "they suck" box back in the spring, and are loathe to change their scripted talking points.
    They never let facts stand in the way of their opinions.
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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Cincinnati's success will continue to annoy the ESPN talking heads...they put Cincy in their "they suck" box back in the spring, and are loathe to change their scripted talking points.
    As we all know, Gammons has said very little good about the Reds in years (since his buddy Bowden left). We'll see how his wisdom ages vis a vis the Reds and Brewers prediction...

    I know one thing... if the Indians had fleeced the Reds for Brandon Phillips, rather than vice versa, he'd have been crowing about it nationally because Shapiro and that crew is on his cool list.

    I remember when he informed the world Harang was no better than a fifth starter (predictably pronouncing the Guillen-Harang trade a steal for Beane). Silence concerning Harang's success continues...
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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    As we all know, Gammons has said very little good about the Reds in years (since his buddy Bowden left). We'll see how his wisdom ages vis a vis the Reds and Brewers prediction...

    I know one thing... if the Indians had fleeced the Reds for Brandon Phillips, rather than vice versa, he'd have been crowing about it nationally because Shapiro and that crew is on his cool list.

    I remember when he informed the world Harang was no better than a fifth starter (predictably pronouncing the Guillen-Harang trade a steal for Beane). Silence concerning Harang's success continues...
    Ah yes, more of the Gammons hates the Reds crap.

    And if anyone on here thought Harang was anything more than a fifth starter - based on his minor league numbers and his brief major league career then you are a better person than me, cause I thought Harang was a #4 or #5 at best.

    I guess i hate the Reds since Bowden left too
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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

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    I guess i hate the Reds since Bowden left too
    the truth comes out.
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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    I really think this has nothing to do with the Reds per se. I think that Gammons, along with a ton of other publications/columnists, dubbed the Brewers the new cause celebre upstart team, and they want to avoid looking terribly wishy-washy in the face of such predictions.

    Such is the fate of putting your faith in teams that are perennially atrocious like the Brewers. Even when they get their hands on talent, they don't have the reinforcements to bridge injuries, or they rely too heavily on youth (Capellan) and one-hit wonders (Davis, Ohka) to throw meaningful numbers of innings. The Brewers have a nice offense (though I'm not totally sold on Weeks and Hardy), but their bullpen, just as I said at the beginning of the season, is flat and unremarkable.

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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    I really think this has nothing to do with the Reds per se.
    It's no big deal, but I think he turned on the franchise when Bowden, one of his prime sources, was unceremoniously dumped. When the "firesale" took place in 2003, he almost burst veins describing the organization as a disgrace (omitting the obvious fact that teams out of the pennant race do that stuff all the time).

    I think that Gammons, along with a ton of other publications/columnists, dubbed the Brewers the new cause celebre upstart team, and they want to avoid looking terribly wishy-washy in the face of such predictions.
    No doubt this is true.
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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    I continue to say that the Brewers will do well in this division. Frankly, they're much like us when it comes to pitching. Frankly I wonder when MLB is going to wake up and figure out how to start finding and developing more pitchers. They're losing kids long before they ever even get to high school and college to become prospects. It has to be something more than all the Select teams, a place for kids to play ball into high school that's just regular games. They're losing out to Soccer and Basketball big time.

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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz
    I continue to say that the Brewers will do well in this division. .
    Their future looks good, but in order to perform this season, they're going to have to get healthy and stay healthy the rest of the way.

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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    It's no big deal, but I think he turned on the franchise when Bowden, one of his prime sources, was unceremoniously dumped. When the "firesale" took place in 2003, he almost burst veins describing the organization as a disgrace (omitting the obvious fact that teams out of the pennant race do that stuff all the time).
    As much as he disliked the Bowden firing, it was the firesale that set him off. And while teams out of contention do tend to sell off parts at the deadline, the initial feeling among many when it began was the Reds FO was more interested in receiving financial compensation than talent that may eventually improve the team. However, I think Gammons venom towards the Reds largely went away when the new ownership group took over.
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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz
    I continue to say that the Brewers will do well in this division.
    Agreed - and unless some of their players have been lost for the season, you probably have to work off the premise that they're coming back at some point before September. It may end up being a big if, but in May, the potential still exists for that team to live up to expectation.
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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Quote Originally Posted by OldXOhio
    Agreed - and unless some of their players have been lost for the season, you probably have to work off the premise that they're coming back at some point before September. It may end up being a big if, but in May, the potential still exists for that team to live up to expectation.
    I'd agree with you if the Brewers were a team used to winning. But they're more likely to be a self-fulfilling prophecy than a miracle club at this point.

    I'd be prepping for next year if I were the Brewers.

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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
    It's no big deal, but I think he turned on the franchise when Bowden, one of his prime sources, was unceremoniously dumped. When the "firesale" took place in 2003, he almost burst veins describing the organization as a disgrace (omitting the obvious fact that teams out of the pennant race do that stuff all the time).
    I remember that. After the Guillen trade he was waiving around a $20 bill on the Baseball Tonight frothing at the mouth, saying the Reds were only interested in cash.

    Last night he praised the Reds for taking chances and bringing in players like Harang.

    Go figure.

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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds
    Last night he praised the Reds for taking chances and bringing in players like Harang.

    Go figure.
    Gammons is entitled to change his opinion, just like we are. I remember a lot of people around here were none too thrilled with the firesale when it happened, either.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Gammons: Brewers have more staying power than Reds (ESPN News)

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    Gammons is entitled to change his opinion, just like we are. I remember a lot of people around here were none too thrilled with the firesale when it happened, either.
    He was over the top that year, IMO. But yes, he's entitled to change his opinions. And most of the time I agreed with him that the former ownership and GM were pathetic.


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