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    Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    I was thinking about this earlier today, and just for kicks I hastily put together a 25 man all-time Reds roster.

    FWIW, I judged each player by their entire career, but I tried to only consider players who played more games for the Reds than any other single team (meaning guys such as Tom Seaver and John Franco were excluded). For the bullpen, I simply chose one reliever followed by who I believe are the next best pitchers, regardless if they were starters or not. Lastly, I also excluded all currently active Reds players.

    Anyway, here's what I came up with after thinking it over for a few minutes ...
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    LF Pete Rose
    SS Barry Larkin
    2B Joe Morgan
    RF Frank Robinson
    C  Johnny Bench
    1B Tony Perez
    CF Edd Roush
    3B Heinie Groh
    
    Rotation
    SP Bucky Walters
    SP Paul Derringer
    SP Eppa Rixey
    SP Dolf Luque
    
    Bench
    C  Ernie Lombardi
    1B Ted Kluszewski
    IF Davey Concepcion
    IF Bid McPhee
    OF Vada Pinson
    OF George Foster
    
    Bullpen
    SP Noodles Hahn
    SP Jim Maloney
    SP Jose Rijo
    SP Pete Donohue
    SP Johnny Vander Meer
    SP Ewell Blackwell
    CL Clay Carroll
    Last edited by Cyclone792; 05-25-2006 at 06:52 AM.
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    Re: Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    Looks good to me...
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    Re: Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    It would be interesting to see that list by single season as well. I wish I was a few years older so I could remember Eric Davis in '86 & '87 -- those stats are awesome.

    1987: .293/.399/.593, 37 HR, 50 SB, GG in CF -- and only played in 129 games...
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    I suppose it would be too weird to do an all-time true 25-man roster, as in, the best all-time 25th man, the best all-time 24th man, the best fifth starter, etc.

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    Re: Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    One beef.

    It's cheating to insert starting pitchers like Jim Maloney and Jose Rijo into the bullpen.

    We have such a grand tradition of producing quality relievers that the pen ought to be stocked with bona fide middle men, setup artists and closers.

    You can't advance a legitimate All-Time Reds squad and exclude every member of the Nasty Boys.

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    Re: Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    Here would be mine:

    Lineup:

    2B Joe Morgan
    SS Barry Larkin
    3B Pete Rose
    LF Frank Robinson
    C Johnny Bench
    CF Edd Roush
    1B Tony Perez
    RF Wally Post

    Rotation:

    Mario Soto
    Johnny Vander Meer
    Bucky Walters
    Eppa Rixey
    Jim Maloney

    Bench:

    SS Davey Concepcion
    1B Ted Kluszewski
    2B Bid McPhee
    OF Vada Pinson
    SS George Wright
    C Bubbles Hargrave

    Bullpen:

    Dolf Luque
    Wayne Granger
    Harry Wright
    Rob Dibble
    Danny Graves
    Clay Carroll
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    Re: Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    Cyclone's list looks good. I'd drop Frey as a second reserve infielder so I could add Eric Davis to the team, giving me more speed, power and defense.
    I might drop Vander Meer and maybe Donohue to add a couple of relief pitchers.
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    Re: Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    I knew I was forgetting somebody, and that somebody was Bid McPhee. I'm dropping Frey and installing McPhee on the bench for the infield.

    Rick brought up single season, and this gets very interesting ...
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    LF Pete Rose, 1969
    SS Barry Larkin, 1995
    2B Joe Morgan, 1975
    RF Frank Robinson, 1962
    C  Johnny Bench, 1972
    1B Ted Kluszewski, 1954
    CF Cy Seymour, 1905
    3B Heinie Groh, 1917
    
    Rotation
    SP Bucky Walters, 1939
    SP Dolf Luque, 1923
    SP Ewell Blackwell, 1947
    SP Noodles Hahn, 1902
    
    Bench
    C  Ernie Lombardi, 1938
    IF Tony Perez, 1970
    IF Bid McPhee, 1892
    OF Edd Roush, 1919
    OF Eric Davis, 1987
    OF George Foster, 1977
    
    Bullpen
    SP Paul Derringer, 1939
    SP Jim Maloney, 1965
    SP Jose Rijo, 1993
    RP Clay Carroll, 1970
    RP Rob Dibble, 1990
    RP John Franco, 1988
    RP Danny Graves, 2000
    Three things will probably stand out to most people: Perez's big seasons on the bench, Foster's big season on the bench and ED's big season on the bench. One change I made is I did take the liberty of moving Rose to LF in 1969 even though he played RF and CF that season.

    The Seymour 1905 season and Groh 1917 season are probably headscratchers to some people, especially with the guys on the bench that I've got, but Seymour and Groh were monsters during those seasons when putting them into context of era (Groh also played in a pitcher's park in 1917).

    Lastly, regarding Pete Rose ... people always think of him as a longevity, career value kind of guy, and sometimes I think when they do that they forget just how great Rose was during his peak. His 1969 season was his best, IMO, and it was nothing short of an absolutely phenomenal year.
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    Re: Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    if you are doing season's then, wouldn't griffey's first year here make it what he have 40/120?

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    Re: Reds All-Time Team (25 man roster style)

    Quote Originally Posted by butlerbulldogs
    if you are doing season's then, wouldn't griffey's first year here make it what he have 40/120?
    He's excluding active Reds.
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