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    Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    The Cincinnati Reds today acquired minor league RHP Robert Manuel from the New York Mets in exchange for LHP Dave Williams and an undisclosed amount of cash.
    Manuel, 22, will report to Class A Dayton. For the Mets he was expected to pitch for the Class A Brooklyn Cyclones, whose season begins later this month.
    In 2005 the 6-3, 190-pound righthander split his first professional season between Brooklyn and the Gulf Coast League Mets, where he ranked among the GCL leaders in wins (8, T1st), ERA (2.06, 2nd), strikeouts (49, 4th) and innings pitched (56.2, 5th). For the season he produced 54 strikeouts and just 4 walks in 61.2 innings.
    The Houston native attended Sam Houston State University, where he was All-Southland Conference last year. On June 17, 2005 he was signed by the Mets as a non-drafted minor league free agent.
    Williams this season went 2-3 with a 7.20 ERA in 8 starts for Cincinnati. He was designated for assignment on Saturday, when LHP Eric Milton was reinstated from the 15-day disabled list.


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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    So we've seen the numbers. Anybody got a scouting report on this guy? Looks like he both started and pitched out of the pen.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    From Rotoworld.

    If the Reds dumped most of Williams' salary, they'll be content. Manuel, 22, had a 2.06 ERA and a 49/4 K/BB ratio in the Rookie Gulf Coast League last year after being signed out of Sam Houston State. He's a long shot to make it the majors. Williams figures to head to the bullpen for now, but he'll be available to make starts for the Mets later on. With Shea Stadium helping him out, he might have a little fantasy value at some point.

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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    He's a warm body. That's a plus.

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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASAp...5/c1471883.jsp
    Reds deal Williams to Mets
    05/25/2006 5:26 PM ET
    By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

    CINCINNATI -- The Reds successfully moved deposed starting pitcher Dave Williams on Thursday, when it sent him to the Mets for Minor League pitcher Robert Manuel.
    Williams, who Cincinnati acquired from the Pirates in a December trade for first baseman Sean Casey, went 2-3 with a 7.20 ERA in eight starts. The left-hander struggled to be consistent and allowed 54 hits over 40 innings.

    Instead of moving the struggling pitcher to the bullpen or optioning him to the Minor Leagues, the Reds made the bold move to designate Williams for assignment on Saturday to clear roster space when starter Eric Milton was activated from the disabled list.

    Had the Reds not dealt Williams, they would have been responsible for paying the balance of his $1.4 million 2006 salary.

    Entering his second professional season, Manuel is scheduled to report to Class A Dayton. The Mets had planned to use him at their short-season Class A affiliate in Brooklyn.

    The 22-year-old right-hander was 8-1 with a 2.06 ERA last season for the Gulf Coast Mets before a promotion to Brooklyn. Overall, he struck out 54 with only four walks in 61 2/3 innings.

    This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.



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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    A minor-league free agent for a 27-year-old that won 10 games last year? And the Mets just got El Duque for an underachieving middle reliever that happens to throw hard.

    Man, if that's the best Krivsky could do, that just shows how little value Williams is perceived to have. And how incredibly dumb DanO was.

    Two Reds GMs have turned Sean Casey and $1MM plus whatever they just gave the Mets into a guy that's a half-step (the dominance of a league he was 2-3 years too old for) above someone that could have been signed away from the Florence Freedom. Brilliant.
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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc. Scott
    A minor-league free agent for a 27-year-old that won 10 games last year? And the Mets just got El Duque for an underachieving middle reliever that happens to throw hard.

    Man, if that's the best Krivsky could do, that just shows how little value Williams is perceived to have. And how incredibly dumb DanO was.

    Two Reds GMs have turned Sean Casey and $1.4MM plus whatever they just gave the Mets into a guy that's a half-step (the dominance of a league he was 2-3 years too old for) above someone that could have been signed away from the Florence Freedom. Brilliant.
    O'Brien gave Krivksy 2 piles of crap. Don't knock Krivsky for trading the 2 piles of crap for a nickel.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    Williams' value was less right now then it was of the first trade. It was never high to begin with, but right now it's at rock bottom with the way he's pitched this year.

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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    At least we got something for him. But we did give Sean Casey for him, so his trade value is worse than the old "bag of balls" addition.

    I would have liked for Williams to be given a chance to go to AAA and see if he could find himself.

    But Kriv has had a great eye for talent and appeared Williams did not fit that bill.
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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    Quote Originally Posted by alexad
    I would have liked for Williams to be given a chance to go to AAA and see if he could find himself.
    Quite honestly, I think he has already found himself, that was the problem.

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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    IMO I didnt expect a single thing for DW, so this is a win-win. I can not and will not fault Krivsky for Dan O's mistakes. He has done quite a few things "right" since he's been here (Mr. K), so I am very pleased by this move.

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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    Wonder how much of Williams's salary we paid. Now let's take whatever money we saved in the deal and tack it on to our offer to Milton Loo.

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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    The mets have a really bad GM streak going on
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    Re: Dave Williams to the Mets for Robert Manuel [A]

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc. Scott

    Two Reds GMs have turned Sean Casey and $1MM plus whatever they just gave the Mets into a guy that's a half-step (the dominance of a league he was 2-3 years too old for) above someone that could have been signed away from the Florence Freedom. Brilliant.
    If Casey had been a FA after last season, I wonder how much a team would have paid for him?

    $3-5M tops I'd say.

    So, we dumped Casey and his $8.5M salary and got little in return, but had to pay $1M -maybe $1.5M.

    I'd say we did very well.


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