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    Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Through May 29 games:

    Team W L % GB ORuns/G OPS BARISP DRuns/G

    St. Louis 33 18 .647 - 5.10 .780 .294 4.00
    Cincinnati 28 23 .549 5.0 5.04 .785 .236 5.02
    Milwaukee 26 25 .510 7.0 5.04 .818 .251 5.53
    Houston 26 26 .500 7.5 4.60 .742 .258 5.06
    Chicago 19 31 .380 13.5 3.84 .679 .232 5.14
    Pittsburgh 17 34 .333 16.0 4.57 .745 .265 5.14

    Darn it! Those looked good when I pasted them in!
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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    I think you forgot GB.
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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498
    Cincinnati 28 23 .549 5.0
    No... they're there. Oh well.
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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...


    Code:
    Team        W  L    %   GB ORuns/G OPS BARISP DRuns/G
    St. Louis  33 18 .647    -  5.10  .780  .294    4.00
    Cincinnati 28 23 .549  5.0  5.04  .785  .236    5.02
    Milwaukee  26 25 .510  7.0  5.04  .818  .251    5.53
    Houston    26 26 .500  7.5  4.60  .742  .258    5.06
    Chicago    19 31 .380 13.5  3.84  .679  .232    5.14
    Pittsburgh 17 34 .333 16.0  4.57  .745  .265    5.14


    There we go, all cleaned up.

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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    horrible<poor<average<good<great

    St. Louis: great offense, good pitching
    Cincy: great offense, poor pitching
    Milwaukee: great offense, horrible pitching
    Houston: average offense, poor pitching
    Chicago: horrible offense, poor pitching
    Pittsburgh: average offense, poor pitching

    Two things that are surprising is that we're 5 games over .500 and Pittsburgh is 8.5 games behind the Astros despite similar run profiles.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 05-30-2006 at 03:48 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    What is surprising is that we're 5 games over .500 and Pittsburgh is 8.5 games behind the Astros despite similar run profiles.
    My immediate, non-researched answer is "Harang and Arroyo", but I've nothing but supposition to back that up.
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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    I was surprised that Milwaukee is only 2 games back of the Reds despite giving up half a run more per game. The sample size is still fairly small, though.
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498
    I was surprised that Milwaukee is only 2 games back of the Reds despite giving up half a run more per game. The sample size is still fairly small, though.
    They are just hanging around in the Central until Sheets and Helling get back from DL. They will give pitching staff a boost.
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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Or viewed another way, the Reds have the #2 pitching and #2 offense in the division, so they are where they belong.

    Of course the 1960 Pirates might have something to say about the importance of scoring runs when it matters.

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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498

    Darn it! Those looked good when I pasted them in!
    Use "code" tags when you're posting stats. It's easier to get them to line up
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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    Cincy: great offense, poor pitching
    I respectfully disagree. Reds pitching is certainly not spectacular, but it is not poor either.
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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone
    I respectfully disagree. Reds pitching is certainly not spectacular, but it is not poor either.
    Perhaps you've lost perspective because we've had some historically bad staffs the last few years. Or perhaps I wasn't clear in stating that pitching includes our defense. We're on pace to allow over 800 runs. That's not good. In 2005, 8 of 30 teams allowed 800 or more runs.

    Think of it this way. Overall MLB rank:

    1-6: great
    7-12: good
    13-18: average
    19-24: poor
    25-30: horrible

    Our current 256 runs against is 19th. Our current EARNED runs aginst (227) is 15th So again, our runs allowed is poor. Argue my chosen nomenclature if you want. I agree that we are doing MUCH better in preventing runs this year -- 10% better in fact. But that doesn't make us good or even average. it makes us on the upper end of poor.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Pitching includes the Reds defense?

    Technically, I suppose you're right, but I've really never looked at it that way, except for defensive plays made (or not) by a pitcher.

    I don't think most people would say "poor pitching" when they mean poor defense... they would say one or the other (or both).
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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    Yeah TB, that was my bad. I used the word "pitching" as a proxy for "runs allowed" -- definitely not completely accurate, especially with a team like the Reds where 10% of their runs allowed are unearned.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Interesting NLCentral Team Stats...

    What I find interesting is how low our BARISP is - even though comparitively, our run total is pretty good.

    Possible conclusions:

    1. We're knocking in runs without getting hits - ground balls, sac flies.
    2. We're scoring runners from bases other than scoring position [read: first and home].

    I doubt the former is the case (though maybe that's just because I was at last Friday's game).

    But the latter seems to me to be rather probable, given the propensity of homers we hit. It seems to me that this is a statistic with ramifications for Narron - considering how poorly we hit with RISP, he should consider abandoning the bunt in borderline situations, because moving a runner into scoring position while giving up a precious out isn't sensible. Might as well wait for a double or homer.

    I'm not sure how much JN is characterized as an 'old-school' manager, but hopefully he has the humility to consider it. Hey, Earl Weaver was a hell of a manager because he recognized that all he needed was pitching, defense & the three-run homer.

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