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Thread: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    One man's pov.:

    1) Both RZ and its owners are the creme de la creme!
    2) Re: rep points
    ....a. I totally misunderstood its purpose. I thought it was
    .......a technique for one to express approval/disapproval
    .......of the type of post that was being critiqued.
    .......I had no idea of making a comment about the poster.
    .......So I negged some comedic forays, some sarcasm,
    .......some thead hijacks and whatever personal attacks I
    .......saw. I approved those who were esp thoughtful, a
    .......pbp provider I thought exceptional, and those who
    .......went above and beyond the call in posting articles
    .......from off site or updates on draft/farm system. I gave an
    .......opinion on both the kind of stuff I'd like to see more of
    .......and less of, never referencing or making a characterization
    .......of the poster. Every neg was taken personally, w/o
    .......exception. and some of the approvals as well.
    .......One long time RZ poster emailed me and said he and his friends
    .......would retaliate in the future if he received another neg.
    ......Some called me names, others found my last post( a link to
    ......an off site newpaper article) and all retaliated with
    ......negs. None of these were newbies.
    ......So what's my point here?
    ....b. The only way a rep system can work, it seems to me,
    ......is for it to be focused on post type, never on
    ......the person posting Example:
    ......before the rep system I used to chide one of the zones best
    ......and most prolific posters for an occasional lapse into glib.
    ......Instead of commenting about the offending thread directly,
    ......on another's critique of the thread, I'd use an inappropriate
    ......play on words, referring to the author as double glib. He called
    ......me on it. He was right in doing so. With the rep system I should
    ......be able to neg that post with too glib and it never for a sec,
    ......be considered by either of us as personal.
    .....c. If the rep system was intended to be used as a
    ......critique/comment of/on the poster, IMO, it should
    ......be immediately abandoned.

    .....d. To those who have received negs on a post and retaliated,
    ......or threatened retaliation, isn't there a better way?.
    3) A suggested fix for inane comments/posts
    .....a. as others have suggested, a 30 day waiting period between
    ........registration and first post/comment. Guidelines posted and
    .......confirmed as having been read prior to 1st post approval.
    .....b. imo, most importantly, permit only one (1) comment on any
    .....given thread per 24 hrs from any member except mods and pbp hosts.

    .....This would make us all think before we post in order to be completely
    .....cogent, put a chill on the gratuitous and stifle the guy who must have
    .....the last word or die!
    4) Re: mods
    .....a. This is a thankless job.
    .....b. But I'm with Rem.
    .....c. Consider, Why can't officers and enlisted men fraternize?


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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Meeeooowww!!! Hiss Hiss!!!

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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Wow. Some of the comments in here are stunning. No wonder posters get upset. Some of the comments/replies in here absolutely prove some of the complaints. Some of the older posters with high rep points and newer posters need to look at what they've written in here from a 3rd parties point of view.
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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baumer
    The mini-flood gates have been opened it seems, so I will say me 2 cents in naming names.

    M2 and SteelSD. Those two names stick out most in my head as people who have consistently been involved in personal arguments. Chances are if there is a thread closed on RedsZone, M2 has posted in it at least 3 times. SteelSD is a bit behind in that regards but I've seen him snipe at folks and go digging through the RedsZone archives looking for dirty blackmail posts. These two people are active participants of these same problems they are telling us to ignore and "relax" over. They can't resist the temptation of joining in a good dog fight. Whenever an argument springs up they pop in and drop their 'knowledge'.

    So when these two guys and the several others who do the same stuff come on here and try to tell others to "adapt or leave", it makes me laugh. They get everyone else so heated that they begin a tyrade (like this one) and then take a step back, sip on their tea, and smile. "What's all the hullaballoo about fellas?" "Why the long faces?"

    What is disheartening is that no mods or people that have "earned respect" will admit what I have just said. They can't, because "earning respect" means kissing up to those above you and getting on their good side. The ideal RedsZone they are talking about, the one where knowledgeable posters contribute and earn respect, is a RedsZone where everyone kneels to them and ignores their mistakes. Anyone who disagrees with them is a "board cancer" and "what is wrong with this board".
    Great post. Enough said.

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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baumer
    The mini-flood gates have been opened it seems, so I will say me 2 cents in naming names.

    M2 and SteelSD. Those two names stick out most in my head as people who have consistently been involved in personal arguments. Chances are if there is a thread closed on RedsZone, M2 has posted in it at least 3 times. SteelSD is a bit behind in that regards but I've seen him snipe at folks and go digging through the RedsZone archives looking for dirty blackmail posts. These two people are active participants of these same problems they are telling us to ignore and "relax" over. They can't resist the temptation of joining in a good dog fight. Whenever an argument springs up they pop in and drop their 'knowledge'.

    So when these two guys and the several others who do the same stuff come on here and try to tell others to "adapt or leave", it makes me laugh. They get everyone else so heated that they begin a tyrade (like this one) and then take a step back, sip on their tea, and smile. "What's all the hullaballoo about fellas?" "Why the long faces?"

    What is disheartening is that no mods or people that have "earned respect" will admit what I have just said. They can't, because "earning respect" means kissing up to those above you and getting on their good side. The ideal RedsZone they are talking about, the one where knowledgeable posters contribute and earn respect, is a RedsZone where everyone kneels to them and ignores their mistakes. Anyone who disagrees with them is a "board cancer" and "what is wrong with this board".
    Quote Originally Posted by Boss-Hog
    I do not want to see individuals called out or demeaning names used, such as statheads and the like
    I can't believe we will have to end up closing this thread, what a fitting end to the discussion.

    Time for a cooling off period friends, this thread will reopen when all parties involved can have a mature discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Baumer
    The mini-flood gates have been opened it seems, so I will say me 2 cents in naming names.

    And yet, with this you violate the one thing you were instructed not to do. Why?
    What if this wasn't a rhetorical question?

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    Ideas ..... that was all that was asked.

    Cougarquest was right. It's amazing to look in on Boss's thread from somewhat of an outside view.

    You guys can close or lock this. It's really meant to be part of the locked thread so I understand I may be undermining you and apologize in advance.

    Boss remarkably again attempted to solicit ideas and improvements to the board. Instead many used it again as a platform for their disagreements. The thread was meant for people to put these things aside for the moment and brainstorm some ideas to fix things.

    Many of you did put some good thoughts in there. Much of the troubles are really about respecting one another. I'm not sure the admins or mods can do much about that. It's everyone's personal responsibility ..... and it isn't too much to ask from all sides.

    It's just a shame that an opportunity was opened up for constructive ideas and the thread had to be locked because folks couldn't see it as such.

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    Re: Ideas ..... that was all that was asked.



    So this is what I've missed the last few months.

    Good times, good times.

    I am going to lock this though, TC. No hard feelings, I hope.

    EDIT: merged this with the original thread.
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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Okay, we're back open.

    The next time, it remains closed for good. Behave yourselves.
    What if this wasn't a rhetorical question?

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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Peace be with you all.

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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker
    Peace be with you all.
    ...and to all a good night.
    "It's easier to give up. I'm not a very vocal player. I lead by example. I take the attitude that I've got to go out and do it. Because of who I am, I've got to give everything I've got to come back."
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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker
    Peace be with you all.
    .....and also with you.
    What if this wasn't a rhetorical question?

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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Call me crazy, but I'm starting to think that maybe you moderators have been too lenient, and that perhaps swifter, more frequent use of banning powers...for both the new posters who get out of hand and the so called "long time respected" posters who get out of hand might help to quiet some of the noise around here. 24 hour bans are possible right? Are 1 week bans possible? Can you set how long you want the ban to be for arbitrarily?

    It could be looked at more to give people a cooling off period than as "punishment". I once got a one week ban on the Marlins fan message board, and when I was able to post again there, I was better for it.

    It is always good to e-mail and explain to people why they are banned though, and how for how long.

    I also think that there should be some kind of punishment for having too much negative rep. That only makes sense, that if you get rewarded for 200, that there be a punishment for some arbitrary negative number.
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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    This thread is not complete unless we merge the ORG thread with this one.

    Folks, this thread is reaching "Be the last person to post here" levels. Think about that for a few seconds.

    Yep, my thoughts exactly.
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    Re: Let's all take a deep breath (everyone please read)

    Quote Originally Posted by paintmered
    .....and also with you.
    If you quote the rest of that, we'll end up in the religious area
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