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    Where are they now--Bernie Carbo

    I found this article on Bernie Carbo on MLB.com. He's led a checkered life but looks to be doing fine now. For those of you who don't know or have forgotten,if it hadn't have been for a ph three run homer in game six of the 1975 World Series,Carlton Fisk's famous homer would never had happened and the Reds would have won it in six games. I can remember my heart just sinking when he it that home run to tie up game six. I was already counting down the outs to the championship.

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    Re: Where are they now--Bernie Carbo

    that is a very nice story.
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    Re: Where are they now--Bernie Carbo

    Here he is at the old ballpark


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    Re: Where are they now--Bernie Carbo

    I wrote this about Bernie last year at Draft time, good to see that it's not as applical now as then.

    Bernie Carbo, The Reds first draft and Austin Kearns

    In 1965 the first amateur draft was held in New York. The Reds first round draft choice was Bernie Carbo a High School star in Michigan, their second round choice was Oklahoma's Johnny Bench.

    Thirty three years later in 1998 the Reds first round draft choice was Kentucky High School Star Austin Kearns, in the second round the Reds chose Texan Adam Dunn.

    Unlike Kearns, Carbo was a left handed hitter, but a pure hitter who hit the scene in 1970 with a bang.

    How big of a bang? Platooning with RH hitter Hal McRae, Carbo came to the plate 476 times that year, seeing less than 30 at bats against a left handed pitcher. He had an ungodly .310/.454/.551/1.004 line with an ungodly RISP lione of .325/.532/.566, 3 months with a slg% above .. .620 and 5 months with an OB% over .410. For players with 300 plate apperances or more Carbo was 3rd in the league in runs created per game, a hair behind McCovey and Carbo with a impressive 9.95.

    All this wasn't new to Carbo his 1969 season in Indy saw him lead the league in hitting with a .358 BA, he also knocked 60 EBH, he also wasn't all batting average drawing an impresive 91 walks in Asheville in 1968, also delivering 47 EBH.

    The future for Carbo looked incredible....even despite his attempt to score in the World Series in the "Hendricks Play" he even won the Rookie of the year award that season... the man picked by the Reds after him in the 1965 draft won the MVP that year.

    A year and a half later after a miserable 330 at bats, a 1971 benching and a horrible spring in 1972 Bernie had a pitiful .215/.339/.325/.666 line.

    And was flipped to the Cardnials in may of 1972, soon to be a thorn in the Reds side during the 1975 World Series and a charactor who finds his way into "this dumb ballplayer" stories around MLB in the mid 70's.

    Kearns arrived with a bang in the wake of fellow draftee Aadm Dunn in the spring of 2002. Though and injury cut his season short, Kearns turned in a fine season and produced the 2nd highest RC/27 for a Reds player 22 or younger in post war major league ball.

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    RUNS CREATED/GAME             YEAR    RC/G      OBA      SLG      OPS      AVG      EBH    
    1    Bernie Carbo             1970     9.95     .454     .551    1.004     .310       43   
    2    Austin Kearns            2002     7.54     .407     .500     .907     .315       40   
    3    Frank Robinson           1957     7.44     .376     .529     .905     .322       63   
    4    Frank Robinson           1956     7.43     .379     .558     .936     .290       71   
    5    Vada Pinson              1961     7.28     .379     .504     .883     .343       58   
    6    Vada Pinson              1959     7.22     .371     .509     .880     .316       76   
    7    Johnny Bench             1970     7.14     .345     .587     .932     .293       84   
    8    Adam Dunn                2002     6.70     .400     .454     .854     .249       56   
    9    Frank Robinson           1958     6.32     .350     .504     .854     .269       62   
    10   Johnny Bench             1969     6.20     .353     .487     .840     .293       50
    A 2003 game of Buck-Buck with Ray King curtailed Kearns 2003 season, a season that was clipping along with a robust BA driven line and 13 pre injury home runs. Pain found Kearns again last year when a persistant hand injury stunted his development even more. After these two unproductive seasons he had a line of .250/.346/.440/.786 a pale shadow of the 2002 player who electrified the scene like Bernie Carbo in 1970.

    Leaving the mess of a player that is playing these past 2 months swinging at ball in an off balanced manner, a man who has 169 at bats this season and only a .225/.307/.396/.704

    Is Kearns going down like Carbo?

    Ray Shore former scout with the Reds felt that Carbo folded under the expectations created by his initial burst in 1970. Also Gammons paints Carbo as not the brightest man in his book "Beyond the Sixth Game" I'm not sure *what happened to Carbo's game, but from where I sit it looks like Kearns is experiencing alot of the same problems.

    The ironic thing is it is all happening in the shadow of the southwestern player chosen number two in the same draft.

    Just like it did to Bernie.
    *Of course though Bernies drug problems weren't known then, or they were very hush, hush and they probably were his biggest problem.

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    Re: Where are they now--Bernie Carbo

    This is a nice read, thanks for posting it
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    Re: Where are they now--Bernie Carbo

    Thanks for the post, Cumberland. And thanks for your reposting, woy.

    The Long Ball: The Summer of '75-Spaceman, Catfish, Charlie Hustle, and the Greatest World Series Ever Played by Tom Adelman has an excellent story about Bernie and his relationship with Sparky Anderson. I had always believed Sparky disliked Bernie, but apparently the opposite was true.
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