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    the UT first round hitter Hall of Fame: Shea Morenz, Calvin Murray, Brooks Kieschnick, the Reds' Scott Bryant, Danny Peoples...

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    but there's always Longhorn immortals Keith Moreland, Shane Halter, and a personal fave, Joe Hague

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/schools/texas.shtml

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    Don't forget Spike Owen. He's the UT first round hitter valedictorian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    Don't forget Spike Owen. He's the UT first round hitter valedictorian.
    I gave MIers a free pass.

    One thing that stands out-- though UT's skimmed the cream off the HS ranks for years, they've never, ever developed a great offensive player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    Draft pay scale would be a nice addition to the next labor contract
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MLBPA does not represent anyone who isn't signed to a major league contract and part of a major league team's 40 man roster. Thus, the Players Association would no more have a say in how draft picks are paid than they would have a say over how much the Reds paid their hot dog vendors -- the draft picks aren't part of the bargaining unit. It wouldn't be a collective bargaining issue, but rather it would have to be some kind of agreement reached by the various owners amongst themselves.

    As for Drew's nickname -- I'm with pedro on "The Ticket," but only if he breaks the Longhorn hitters trend and actually does something after leaving school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MLBPA does not represent anyone who isn't signed to a major league contract and part of a major league team's 40 man roster. Thus, the Players Association would no more have a say in how draft picks are paid than they would have a say over how much the Reds paid their hot dog vendors -- the draft picks aren't part of the bargaining unit. It wouldn't be a collective bargaining issue, but rather it would have to be some kind of agreement reached by the various owners amongst themselves.
    I'm not sure that's right. The MLBPA is the recognized bargaining agent for major league baseball, and as such has the ability to negotiate things even on behalf of those who aren't actual union members. The draft itself is part of the CBA. Also remember that the rookie caps/pay scales in the NFL and NBA were collectively bargained and apply to draftees, even though those players are not yet part of the respective unions.
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    No WAY!! Two million bucks and you can walk down to the candy store with it! That's some stupid business dealing. I'd be writing a tough contract with someone if they wanted to work for me and get 2 million...... This is what happens when someone gets too used to having millions of dollars to throw around, like our elected politicians. TB is absolutly right, that's nuts.

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    I could find no reference on the web to Booty having to repay his bonus when he left baseball.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Booty was drafted by the Marlins, not the Rays, and he eventually went to play for LSU, the opposite move of Drew Henson.
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    I just wish college players used wooden bats, in fact I wish aluminum bats were outlawed but I have no shot at that
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    Re: Stubbs signs for $2 milion

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MLBPA does not represent anyone who isn't signed to a major league contract and part of a major league team's 40 man roster. Thus, the Players Association would no more have a say in how draft picks are paid than they would have a say over how much the Reds paid their hot dog vendors -- the draft picks aren't part of the bargaining unit. It wouldn't be a collective bargaining issue, but rather it would have to be some kind of agreement reached by the various owners amongst themselves.
    I thought I remembered the last go around with the union that they talked about a pay scale on the draft and the players said maybe but no.

    I might be remembering it wrong, but I can just imagine the owners getting together on it and then being sued for collusion
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    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed
    I just wish college players used wooden bats, in fact I wish aluminum bats were outlawed but I have no shot at that
    I've always thought that supplying NCAA division I teams with wooden bats would be a no-brainer investment for MLB. When you are a billion dollar company and are spending tens of millions each year for unproven college players, why not spend a few hundred thousand to get a better read on your future assets/employees?

    Just tally up how much MLB D1 programs are spending on aluminum bats and re-imburse for any incremental expense they incur by switching to wooden bats. MLB gets a nice PR boost for making a donation to higher education (which they might be able to write off), the NCAA gets better equipment and a safer environment for their student athletes. Win-Win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeton
    but there's always Longhorn immortals Keith Moreland, Shane Halter, and a personal fave, Joe Hague

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/schools/texas.shtml
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    Re: Stubbs signs for $2 milion

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MLBPA does not represent anyone who isn't signed to a major league contract and part of a major league team's 40 man roster. Thus, the Players Association would no more have a say in how draft picks are paid than they would have a say over how much the Reds paid their hot dog vendors
    You might be wrong. You might be right.

    A draft has been found to be an illegal restraint of trade under the Sherman Act by a (litany of court cases including Supreme Court cases), UNLESS it has been the result of bona fide arms length bargaining with the unions. [The ill-conceived Maurice Clarett case kinda clouds this... but that was just one issue - minimum player age, not salary]

    However, MLB might still try to hide behind the antitrust exemption (since amateur players are not protected under the Curt Flood Act).

    I think that legally MLB can unilaterally impose a draft and draft rules. However, the cutback to 50 rounds in recent years suggests to me that MLB lawyers were concerned that some judge might find that baseball was abusing its discretion in the antitrust exemption by having so many unnecessary rounds.
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    Re: Stubbs signs for $2 milion

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MLBPA does not represent anyone who isn't signed to a major league contract and part of a major league team's 40 man roster. Thus, the Players Association would no more have a say in how draft picks are paid than they would have a say over how much the Reds paid their hot dog vendors -- the draft picks aren't part of the bargaining unit. It wouldn't be a collective bargaining issue, but rather it would have to be some kind of agreement reached by the various owners amongst themselves.
    Island Red's answer is basically right. But baseball's treatment of amateurs (compared to NBA, NFL, etc) is clouded by the antitrust exemption.

    Baseball DOES conspire right now, openly, to hold down signing bonuses. Lars Anderson and Tony Watson would have been drafted in the first 2 or 3 rounds and given high 6-low 7 figure bonuses if the commissioner's office hadn't made explicit or implicit threats against teams who did so. They ended up going around round 20

    In sports other than baseball, this conspiracy in restraint of trade would be criminal behavior (and no, I'm not exaggerating - check Section II of the Sherman Act... it's still a felony), UNLESS the union agrees to it.

    To answer your specific question, there are some cases in other sports were an amateur player has claimed that the arrangement between the union and the league DIDN'T APPLY to them, because they weren't union members when the contract was negotiated. AS far as I know, the player has always lost.

    See Zimmerman v. NFL , 632 F. Supp. 398 (D.D.C. 1986)

    See also Wood v. National Basketball Asso., 809 F.2d 954 (2d Cir. 1987)
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