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    Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    I'd say next year should look like this:

    1B - *
    2B - Lopez
    SS - Phillips
    3B - Encarnacion
    C - Ross
    RF - Kearns
    CF - Denorfia
    LF - *

    #1 - *
    #2 - Arroyo
    #3 - Harang
    #4 - Ramirez
    #5 - Milton

    RP - *
    RP - *
    RP - *
    RP - Yan
    CL - Coffey

    OF/IF - Freel
    IF - Aurilia
    IF - Hatteberg
    IF - Olmedo
    C/IF - Valentin

    Trade:
    Junior
    Dunn
    Larue

    Release (or try to trade):
    Mercker
    Weathers
    Claussen (or DFA)

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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    you wanna keep Yan over weathers? Otherwise I tend to agree, unless Dunn is that asterick at 1b. I like him, just not in LF. And as for Griffey He is my favorite all-time player so I would like to see him break 600 in a red uniform!

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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    I would actually have no problem with that lineup if it slotted Jr in LF and Dunn at 1B next year. Jr would be a gold glove LF IMO and in fact could be a gold glove 1B, but doesn't have the range in CF any more despite the fact he catches everything he gets to and some things he almost doesn't.

    Dunn would be a HUGE target at 1B and if he could learn to scoop balls out of the dirt, he could probably save the IF 10 errors a year just from his size. Of course, he would need to work at it which is probably an issue.

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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    Quote Originally Posted by saboforthird
    I'd say next year should look like this:

    1B - *
    2B - Lopez
    SS - Phillips
    3B - Encarnacion
    C - Ross
    RF - Kearns
    CF - Denorfia
    LF - *

    #1 - *
    #2 - Arroyo
    #3 - Harang
    #4 - Ramirez
    #5 - Milton

    RP - *
    RP - *
    RP - *
    RP - Yan
    CL - Coffey

    OF/IF - Freel
    IF - Aurilia
    IF - Hatteberg
    IF - Olmedo
    C/IF - Valentin

    Trade:
    Junior
    Dunn
    Larue

    Release (or try to trade):
    Mercker
    Weathers
    Claussen (or DFA)
    1B - Dunn
    2B - *
    SS - Phillips
    3B - Encarnacion
    C - Ross
    RF - Kearns
    CF - Denorfia
    LF - Griffey Jr

    #1 - Arroyo
    #2 - Harang
    #3 - *
    #4 - *
    #5 - Ramirez

    RP - *
    RP - *
    RP - *
    RP - *
    CL - Coffey

    OF/IF - Freel
    IF - Hatteberg
    IF - *
    IF - *
    C/IF - Valentin

    Trade:
    LaRue
    Lopez
    Aurillia
    Milton
    Entire Bullpen minus Coffey
    Claussen
    Olmedo
    McCracken

    Trading this list of characters will net us the missing arms we need, or at least should help the situation vastly.

    You're on the right track, saboforthird, I'd just change a couple pieces to the puzzle.

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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    I will say this. I would have preferred Jerry Narron having put Dunn at first last night instead of Valentin, moved Freel to left and put Juan Castro in at third. That might have made for a different outcome.

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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    I agree with the merits of trading Dunn or Junior, but that is a TON of power to lose. IF we can get full value, I'd trade Dunn and move Junior to LF. IF we could get say, Ervin Santana, Brendan Donnely, and one of the young stud position prospects, that would be killer for us.

    I think LaRue will be moved at the break this year. Lopez will be moved in a few years, rather than resigned thanks to Boras.
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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    I know that losing Dunn AND Junior would mean losing a lot of power. It wasn't easy typing their names under the trade section. Without them, you have to start looking like the A's from the past several years or so, where you're relying strictly on OBP%. Not that it doesn't work, but sometimes you need a bomber at the plate. Having said that, I think Dunn and Junior would bring the most in a trade for this club.

    The more I think about it, I would rather have Junior at 1B than anywhere else. Anytime he is put in a situation where he has to run -- period -- he is vulnerable. Just think, he could be a really productive Mayor. If Junior doesn't go to 1B I don't see his career lasting much longer. It's probably a lock that if anything close to what happened the last time he had that serious injury, he'd retire.

    I like the idea of getting rid of most of the bullpen, but I'm afraid they'll be more attractive to the DFA List than anything else. I mean, who would take Mercker or Weathers? They're ho-hum at best, look like a bunch of beer league pitchers out there. Claussen has issues, apparently. He gives me the impression that he's hard-headed. Perhaps some time down in AAA?

    There seem to be two parties of thought here, as far as what an ideal roster for the Reds would be. One party says "just another #3 or #4 pitcher, some bullpen help, and with all the power we have, we're set". The other party, the one I belong to, says "get a REAL ace pitcher, get some bullpen help and improve the middle of the infield, and we're set". I prefer "small ball" over "homer festival". Hope I don't offend too many here. I did notice that one suggestion was to trade Olmedo. He won't net much at all, because he can't hit. That's precisely why I think the Reds should hold onto him. IF he learns how to hit, he'll fit in nicely in the lineup. He's got speed, and is superb defensively. I think it's always a better gamble to try and shut down your opponent, than it is to try and out-slug your opponent.

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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    I agree with the merits of trading Dunn or Junior, but that is a TON of power to lose. IF we can get full value, I'd trade Dunn and move Junior to LF. IF we could get say, Ervin Santana, Brendan Donnely, and one of the young stud position prospects, that would be killer for us.

    I think LaRue will be moved at the break this year. Lopez will be moved in a few years, rather than resigned thanks to Boras.
    I dont think we could get Santana straight up for Adam Dunn, much less have them toss in prospects.

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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt
    I dont think we could get Santana straight up for Adam Dunn, much less have them toss in prospects.
    I wouldn't be so sure.

    I wouldn't trade Dunn straight up for Santana. He's good, but he's had a history of elbow problems and even if he didn't he's just not nearly as valuable by himself as Dunn is.
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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    I think the idea of watching Griffey stretching his hammies out at 1B in a close play is just as disturbing as watching him run full-tilt in the outfield. I'd rather have him in LF.

    I do think one of those outfielders is going to get traded sometime before next season. No way the Reds are going to keep Denorfia in Louisville for another full season next year. Maybe it will be Denorfia getting traded, but one of those four will be gone.

    As much as I do not like the idea of trading Dunn, he probably has the best trade value of the four. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it doesn't turn into another Casey dump and we get something of equal or greater value. They were just talking about what Thome said about Dunn.....saying how Thome wished he had half the talent Dunn has now when he was his age. If Dunn becomes a player that can put up consistant Thome type numbers (he's already pretty close), I want to see him in a Reds uniform.
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    Re: Here's what I'd like to see next year!

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    I wouldn't be so sure.

    I wouldn't trade Dunn straight up for Santana. He's good, but he's had a history of elbow problems and even if he didn't he's just not nearly as valuable by himself as Dunn is.
    I think Dunn would net E Santana and more. The Angels like to win now and since their hitting is not exactly great right now, I think that trade would work. Though I am a little scared of Donnelly...he makes me believe that he was Ben Weber's weight training partner.


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