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    Without question, this is the best ballclub the Reds have faced this year. They rolled out three guys tonight that can hit 97-99 on the gun, WITH command. And, there is more where that came from. They field well and they all can rake. Apparently, Jim Thome couldn't start for them if they were a National League club.

    I know they play in a hitter's park, but Konerko, Dye and Crede are absolutely devastating in the middle of that order. It's hard to imagine anybody out there that can look you in the eye and argue that the Yankees or Red Sox are even in the same ballpark with these guys. I hate losing as much as anybody, but you have to respect that team. Anything can happen in the post-season, but they should roll right back into the World Series this year.

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    There pitching is good and they have some good players but their outfield is a little weak and Crede is basically Aaron Boone. TMBS, they are a good team and have a good chgace to get back to the series again this year IMO.
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    Their advantage is that GM Kenny Williams is willing to make risky deals that could go a long way in improving the team. Their trades for Jim Thome and Javier Vazquez have turned out quite nicely for them, despite giving up some good prospects (Young, Gio).

    I fully expect them to make a move for an outfielder and a bullpen arm before the deadline. Their farm system is a bit depleted from their trades, but they still have some talent down there that other teams will happily take.

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    I wouldn't call acquiring Thome and Vasquez "risky" -- they're both well-established players who were available because they made a lot of money. Give Kenny Williams a mid-market team and I doubt he'd make those deals.
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    They definitely are a very good time... and, quite honestly, I think the Reds played them pretty tough today. If it wasn't for the BP blowup, they might even have won this game.

    And who knows how yesterday may have turned out had 9 runs not been given up so early.

    Anyway, for the most part, I was pretty proud of the Reds today. Wish they could have gotten Milton a win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    I wouldn't call acquiring Thome and Vasquez "risky" -- they're both well-established players who were available because they made a lot of money. Give Kenny Williams a mid-market team and I doubt he'd make those deals.
    Both guys were coming off of pretty bad years and some people were questioning whether or not Thome would ever get back to his former levels. Also, until this season, the White Sox were I believe around $75m in terms of their payroll.

    But take a look at the guys Williams has acquired in recent seasons:

    Scott Podsednik
    Bobby Jenks
    Jim Thome
    Javier Vazquez
    Jermaine Dye
    Orlando Hernandez
    Dustin Hermanson
    AJ Pierzynski
    Jose Contreras

    Most of these guys were either coming off slumps or were character issues with their previous teams. Williams tends to target guys who are high risk/high reward guys and managed to catch lightning in a bottle with these guys last season.

    So far, it's working pretty well for them this season.

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    Re: White Sox

    I'm very interested in this series, since the Cardinals play the Sox next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outshined_One
    Both guys were coming off of pretty bad years and some people were questioning whether or not Thome would ever get back to his former levels. Also, until this season, the White Sox were I believe around $75m in terms of their payroll.
    Chicago is the third largest city in the U.S. It's a huge market, and their ownership can afford a massive payroll.

    But take a look at the guys Williams has acquired in recent seasons:

    Scott Podsednik
    Bobby Jenks
    Jim Thome
    Javier Vazquez
    Jermaine Dye
    Orlando Hernandez
    Dustin Hermanson
    AJ Pierzynski
    Jose Contreras

    Most of these guys were either coming off slumps or were character issues with their previous teams. Williams tends to target guys who are high risk/high reward guys and managed to catch lightning in a bottle with these guys last season.

    So far, it's working pretty well for them this season.
    I'm not saying it isn't working out, but I don't think any of those moves were very high-risk. Williams' biggest risk was on Thome, who was injured last season, but he correctly recognized that DHing would keep Thome healthy. Dye was a FA signing who hit according to his career norms last season and is hitting a tick above his norms this year.

    His other moves were not quite so brilliant. He gave up Carlos Lee for Podsednik - not a good move at all. Jenks was acquired off waivers for $20K -- that's kind of a no-brainer. He gave up prized CF prospect Chris Young for Vazquez, and now his team is hurting for a CF. Pierzynski and Hermanson were/are nothing special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    Chicago is the third largest city in the U.S. It's a huge market, and their ownership can afford a massive payroll.
    There's a difference between what should have been and what actually was. Reinsdorf was fielding this team on the cheap in recent years, despite having a good TV contract with WGN (thus getting national exposure) and a large fanbase to work with in the south side of Chicago.

    However, attendance was completely in the crapper until this team caught fire and headed into the stretch run last season. Their only guaranteed sellouts before those days were Opening Day and against the Cubs; that was pretty much the extent of it.

    Things have changed thanks to their playoff run. They have more money to put to use; hence their acquisitions of pricier guys like Vazquez and Thome. More fans come out to the games; sellouts were much more common this year when ticket sales opened up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    I'm not saying it isn't working out, but I don't think any of those moves were very high-risk. Williams' biggest risk was on Thome, who was injured last season, but he correctly recognized that DHing would keep Thome healthy. Dye was a FA signing who hit according to his career norms last season and is hitting a tick above his norms this year.

    His other moves were not quite so brilliant. He gave up Carlos Lee for Podsednik - not a good move at all. Jenks was acquired off waivers for $20K -- that's kind of a no-brainer. He gave up prized CF prospect Chris Young for Vazquez, and now his team is hurting for a CF. Pierzynski and Hermanson were/are nothing special.
    That's the exact problem with the lightning in a bottle mentality. It worked out in his team's favor last season since Hermanson was one of the key members in their bullpen (especially in the first half of the season), Podsednik gave them a respectable OBP at the top of the order, Pierzynski was a step up from the complete and total black hole they had at catcher in previous years, Contreras was lights out down the stretch and in the playoffs, and so on. Sometimes, everything clicks into place and things just come together.

    The problem for the White Sox is already starting to show, as you mentioned with the Chris Young/Brian Anderson CF problem. The White Sox' farm system has been depleted due to these trades, so they have fewer guys who are either able to step up and play and less ammunition to make deals to fill those holes. It got them a World Series trophy, but it will be interesting to see what happens to them as time goes on.

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    Re: White Sox

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life
    I'm very interested in this series, since the Cardinals play the Sox next.
    This time is likely to roll the Cardinals. Two different levels of talent entirely.

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    Re: White Sox

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life
    I'm very interested in this series, since the Cardinals play the Sox next.
    Get ready to rumble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santo Alcala
    This time is likely to roll the Cardinals. Two different levels of talent entirely.
    The Cards will win this series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMo4Life
    The Cards will win this series.
    I hate to say it because I am a National League fan. But, there just isn't a NL club as good as the Chisox right now. Maybe the Cards will win the series. Baseball is difficult to predict. But, the disparity in talent between Chicago and St. Louis is vast. Even if Albert were playing. That's just the facts.

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    Wow.. 20 runs rang up on the Cards last night.. haha.. loved to see that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cincyinco
    Wow.. 20 runs rang up on the Cards last night...
    And came from "behind" to win the game. They scored 11 runs in the 3rd inning after trailing 1-0. But all the same... losing 20-6 reflects the same in the standings as losing 4-3.

    Mulder's ERA jumped to 6.09 by allowing 9ER in 2.1 IP. OUCH! And Ponson came in to pitch the 5th and gave up 6ER in that 1 inning of work. OUCH! Tough to take a loss when your team has 16 hits themselves in the game (givin' up 24 hits doesn't help though).
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