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    How to improve the defense?

    The defense is horrible and obviously needs to be addressed. How is it best addressed?

    1) Mandatory drills and extra infield practice?
    2) Narron continuing to scream about defense?
    3) Sitting guys who make mental/defensive mistakes?
    4) Send a guy down to AAA to "make a statement" ?
    5) Trade away the weaknesses?
    6) ?????

    How do you improve this weakness?

    BTW: Pitching is the main problem, obviously, but since there are many other threads about pitching, I thought I'd throw this one out there.
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    I like #1, maybe #5 (depends on the return), and perhaps #6 (????).

    Numbers 2, 3, and 4 might work on mental mistakes, they make the physical errors worse.
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    You either move around some of the current parts (JR, Dunn, FeLo, Phillips) or you get new players.


    The only one I see hope for improvement with defensively is EE. The rest, what you see is what you get.

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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    I'd say giving up 20 runs in 2 games is a problem
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    I hate to mention the name, but I believe Juan Castro was intended to be a statement from the front office as much as he was brought in to improve the defense. "Play better defense or we'll replace you with someone who will."

    Wade Boggs was not a good third baseman when he arrived in Boston, but he spent hours working on his defense until he was a good third baseman. Certain players could use extra work on their fielding.
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    Marty and Joe were just talking about how Harrang sucked at hitting when he first game over from the AL. He worked on hitting and spent many hours taking batting practice and while he's no slugger, he is hitting .226 with 1 RBI. Not too shabby for a pitcher.

    The point of the story is, that with lots and lots of practice these guys can improve. Question is, are they putting in the time to get that practice?
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    I don't think all the practice in the world will improve their range and in the case of FeLo and JR thats the main problem.

    If you want a better D with the current pieces its been said on here a million times. Denofria in CF, JR in LF, Dunn to 1B and swap Felo and Phillips.

    If you want anything better than that its new player time.

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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc D
    I don't think all the practice in the world will improve their range and in the case of FeLo and JR thats the main problem.
    I disagree...The main problem is not range, it is all the mental errors. This team is amazing.
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball
    I disagree...The main problem is not range, it is all the mental errors. This team is amazing.
    Well then its like we said in the game thread. Either the coaches can't get the point across or the players won't listen. We've had 3 managers so far this decade and its been pretty much the same slop on the field that whole time.

    I say burn it down to the foundation and get some new building material.

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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    Fines for errors?

    Obviously the current coaching isn't working
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    Originally posted by Spitball I disagree...The main problem is not range, it is all the mental errors. This team is amazing.
    And I must disagree with you on this point as I think mainly w/ Felo his lack of range actually contributes to his mental mistakes. Anyone who has watched a great SS can tell you when they field a ball it's as if they have forever to plant and throw. When you lack range you have no extra time, because you used it all getting to the ball, so now you must rush everything and that leads to mental mistakes. What interests me though is that at times he will seemingly show great range which tells me something completely different about FeLo, his instincts are bad or he doesn't trust his instincts and therefore disregards them.

    However something that I have noticed is that many of these guys (mainly FeLo) seem to be out of position. That is a coaching flaw or the pitchers are not hitting their spots and due to that we don't know where the ball is going. The starters have not been too bad at this but the relievers are not very good at this White & Yan mainly. I would keep on eye on how many errors/mental mistakes are due to a pitcher not hitting his spots.

    The Defensive issues:
    EE- His are due to bad form more than anything (dropping his arm down into a sidearm motion), which can be corrected. Once he gets it right (throw the ball overhand) he will be very good over there.

    Dunn- Seems to be one of these guys who when he makes an error it has to do w/ 1 of 3 things. Out of position, lack of full concentration or lack of great foot speed. Bottom line he eventually will be a 1st bagger or a DH in his career. So he better play some 1st in the offseason this year or get use to the idea of DHing in Detroit or the like. In the meantime he needs to have better focus and be in better position.

    Felipe- We have went over this many times. My thing is that he is both lacking range and confidence because of it. Also his make-up is such that in tight moments he presses thus causing more blunders. His make-up and confidence can actually improve but not likely at SS. Eventual 2Bman wherever he plays.

    Griffey?- Not an error maker or a person who makes mental errors. He is what he is and I can live with him and his lack of range in CF (this year) as long as in key moments he goes and gets the ball. In other words in my eyes he still has good range, when he wants too but most times he chooses not too use it. If we are up 4 or more or down 4 or more he can coast all day and not dive for would-be singles and such. But there will be times that he needs to give his teammates his all.

    1B- Richie & Mr. Hat only have 5 errors between them at 1st but neother of them look to be as tall as their respective Bio's state 6'1". And Javy is 5'10" (which incidentally cost us a game, thanks JN). Most of the big errors have been balls thrown to 1st, where you at Casey 6'4"?

    The good defenders. Kearns, Ross and Phillips. No issues at all with these guys, except that when one of them leave the game or are not in the lineup we go from 30% sound to 20% or 10%. In fact I would like to know what the breakdown was early in the season w/o these 3? Anybody know how to get that stat, perhaps it's not a big enough sample size anyhow.
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    Switch Lopez and Phillips, move KG to LF, Dunn to first and use Freel or Denofria in CF.
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    How do you improve the defense?

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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    You'd see a worlds differnce in the D if you just switch Phillips and Lopez.

    Castro came up with a couple huge plays late in the game tonight...
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    Re: How to improve the defense?

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    Switch Lopez and Phillips, move KG to LF, Dunn to first and use Freel or Denofria in CF.
    People were saying in the offseason that most of those should have been done.

    Sadly I doubt any of them come to fruition
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