He just said it on ESPN. So here is a team that is looking to dump. Is there anything in their pen that might interest us?
Don't know bout the pen.... but... Ervin Santana if they are willing to part with him....
Pen Wise... Donnelly, Shields maybe even Romero... I know he is sucking this year.. But the last 2 years has had a sub 3.50 ERA with 57 and 74 innigs pitched.
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We don't need those 4 guys
Maybe the best non-closer bullpen arm in North America?Originally Posted by Kc61
Not on a per-dollar basis, but he's quite good.
". . . acquiring J. Blanton from Oakland for, apparently, Bailey/Cueto, Votto and a lesser prospect. I do it in a second . . . The Reds' equation this year is simple: Make Matt Belisle your #3 starter . . . trade for Blanton, win 85 or more, be in the mix all summer." - Paul Daugherty, Feb. 8, 2008
Shields is that good, but Donnelly is the Angels' reliever I would target. He's cheaper ($1 mill), not that far behind Shields, and still more than two years removed from free agency. Plus, for whatever reasons, he appears to be on the outs with the Angels' coaching staff. He's only seen action eight times since May 23, although he has lowered his ERA from 4.35 to 3.18 over that stretch of time. He's also recently been quoted practically begging for a trade.Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
Other than Donnelly, I'm intrigued by Angels' 1B prospect Casey Kotchman. His bout with mono slowed his development this year, and Morales has now eclipsed him as the Angels' preferred 1B candidate for the future, leading Kotchman to openly vent his frustration. But Kotchman is only 23. A lefty, he's capable when healthy of posting a high OBP, with potential 20-25 HR power. The only drawback in trying to trade for Kotchman? He has just begun his rehab, so a deal probably couldn't be worked out until later in July.
It goes without saying, SP Santana and SS prospect Aybar also could be sweet acquisitions for the Reds. Of course, either would cost us a frontline OF. Probably Kearns or Dunn, maybe Denorfia, although how many kids can the Angels reasonably expect to break in at the same time?
Whether we're only pursuing a dinky deal or a slobberknocker, Krivsky should definitely be talking with the Angels. They are among the few teams that might have quality pitchers to deal, as well as a bounty of promising prospects.
We're in need of both pitchers and quality prospects. It's going to be at least another season or two before all we require to put us over the top is the one strategic veteran arm or bat.
IMO, the Angels are a much more interesting trade partner as a seller than as a buyer. Santana's probably untouchable if the Halos are giving up on 2006. Yeah, Shields and Donnelly would be nice additions to the bullpen, but much as I'm enjoying the Reds run this season I haven't for one moment been under the impression the team is built to contend for a full season. So I wouldn't suggest overpaying for a bullpen arm at the moment (were I convinced the Reds were a better team, I would be willing to overpay).
Could the Reds do something radical like a Dunn package for Santana, Aybar and Mathis? That strikes me as an off-season type of deal. My guess is the Angels will be looking to move guys like Jeff Weaver, Garret Anderson and Orlando Cabrera if they're in "Let's Make a Deal" mode.
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Make that a thing.
Im sure they trade Jeff Weaver
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If the Reds are pulling the plug on this season, I'd recommend they go all out, then. As in, trade-Arroyo-all-out. There's no sense in getting sentimental.
I'd, however, make trades that help this season, and subsequent seasons.
Sentimental schmentimental, if the Reds trade away Arroyo all it accomplishes is putting the team down another arm in an already thin rotation. I've got no interest in watching the team go backwards on that front.Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
Raisel Ghul, the Demon's Head
Make that a thing.
Well, if they're raising the white flag, who besides a semi-worthless Austin Kearns (gee, who could have guessed that one?) and maybe Felipe Lopez is tradeable?Originally Posted by M2
I want no part of trading the Reds best player, Adam Dunn.
The Reds are two bullpen arms and a starter from very real pennant contention. Get it done. And pimp the hell out of quickly rising "superstar" Homer Bailey to get it done.
Last edited by Falls City Beer; 06-23-2006 at 09:54 AM.
Players they could trade that have some value to net good players / prospects:Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
Players they could trade that would net something of use (albeit probably further from major league ready):
6) Claussen (when healthy)
8) minor leaguers
Unless Claussen comes back healthy and pitches well, I think he hurts us a lot. His ineffectiveness could not only result in the Reds not being able to move him, but probably Milton as well, unless we can get a major league ready starter in return in a trade or a trade for someone else, which is semi-doubtful.
At this point, I think it might be better to hold onto Griffey rather than trade him. I just don't see the return on him being very good, and his 10/5 rights make things more difficult even if you could put a decent deal together. Maybe next year, if he moves to a corner, he'll have more value.
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I don't know that Dunn's outperformed Arroyo this year. Dunn's been very good, but Arroyo has really blown me away.Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
If you want to make a meaningful move, acquire Shields. The guy is a tremendous reliever. With Shields and Coffey at the end of the game, the bullpen would suddenly become a strength.
Then, with a few cheaper moves and good decisions in middle relief, you have something.
The Reds are in serious playoff contention right now. To stay there, they need at least one serious addition to the pen. Go for Shields.