Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 20

Thread: Junior's numbers

  1. #1
    Hey Cubs Fans RFS62's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    16,601

    Junior's numbers

    When Junior first came to the Reds, he was widely considered to be the best player in baseball.

    The grand plan was to watch him finish his career in Cincinnati on an unstoppable march towards Aaron's record.

    But a few things happened along the way. Nagging injuries turned into debilitating conditions. Screws in the leg, rehab after rehab. The Natural became the bionic man, an ongoing experiment for Kremchek and the trainers to get back on the field.

    Watching him now, no longer "the Kid", but rather an elder statesman, and it occurrs to me that his new jersey number this year really sums up his time in Cincy.

    One of the first controversies in his first year came about when he wanted Doggie to allow him to wear number 24. It got a lot of press, much of it overblown, but it seemed petulant and immature. His Seattle stalkers all hooted and howled, claiming we were seeing the Junior they knew.

    The number thing died down, and he kept number 30, same as his dad wore on the Big Red Machine.

    Now, this year, he's wearing number 3, in honor of his three kids. He's seems more mature, mellow, and comfortable with his place in history. There's no more talk about catching Aaron. There hasn't been in a while, with all the injuries and rehabs.

    And his press now is so improved. He reminds me of Jimmy Connors in the later stages of his career, how he was finally embraced, especially in New York. America loves to tear down it's heros, then build them back up if they fight their way back to the top.

    With the steroids scandal dominating the news, Junior is once more "the Natural", only for different reasons. It's in fashion again to love Junior, and not just for his incredible talent, but for the kind of man he is and how he conducts his life.

    From a silly flap over number 24 when he first got here, to easing into number 3 in honor of his children. It just strikes me as perfect symmetry. We're still lucky to be able to say we watched him roam centerfield in a Reds uniform. And we're blessed to say we watched him continue to grow as a man.
    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
    ~ Mark Twain

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member RedsFan75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    1,510

    Re: Junior's numbers

    Bravo! Well Said my good man!
    :notworthy

  4. #3
    Tired of talk. Win! Joseph's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    The Commonwealth
    Posts
    8,371

    Re: Junior's numbers

    Nicely said. My take on the 24 flap always reflected more on Tony Perez in my eyes than it did on Junior. I always thought that Tony was the one being unfair, but that was just my take.

    Junior has come a long way indeed though.

    Championships for MY teams in my lifetime:
    Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90
    Chicago Blackhawks - 10, 13
    University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12
    Cincinnati Bengals - None
    Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

  5. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Posts
    7,640

    Re: Junior's numbers

    But his on base percentage is low....he sucks, remember?

    Great piece...totally agree!!
    "Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill

  6. #5
    Worst Behavior. reds44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    25,422

    Re: Junior's numbers



    Awesome post!
    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Let's face it, you mis-hit the bun with the mustard squirter, no one will really care.

  7. #6
    Score Early, Score Often gonelong's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Posts
    4,139

    Re: Junior's numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph
    Nicely said. My take on the 24 flap always reflected more on Tony Perez in my eyes than it did on Junior. I always thought that Tony was the one being unfair, but that was just my take.

    Junior has come a long way indeed though.
    I couldn't fault Tony on that one, he had his number retired for all the things he had done for the franchise. They wanted to "unretire" his number simply because another player (albiet a great player), who had done nothing for the franchise to date, wanted that number.

    Basically they were telling Tony that as a franchise highly value you, but we value the new kid more. I'd have been a bit PO'd myself, "the kid" or not, and I'd have been a bit PO'd they even thought to ask.

    GL

    /nice thread RFS ... I have been thinking along the same lines earlier this year and never got around to posting it. (shades of Eric Davis)

  8. #7
    Man Pills
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Location
    Philadelphia
    Posts
    25,000

    Re: Junior's numbers

    Way back when the word "numbers" meant "poems."

    I'd love to read Junior's verse: perhaps a sestina is in order.

    I bet Griffey would like this one:


    Farm Implements and Rutabagas in a Landscape
    by John Ashbery


    The first of the undecoded messages read: "Popeye sits

    in thunder,

    Unthought of. From that shoebox of an apartment,

    From livid curtain's hue, a tangram emerges: a country."

    Meanwhile the Sea Hag was relaxing on a green couch: "How

    pleasant

    To spend one's vacation en la casa de Popeye," she

    scratched

    Her cleft chin's solitary hair. She remembered spinach



    And was going to ask Wimpy if he had bought any spinach.

    "M'love," he intercepted, "the plains are decked out

    in thunder

    Today, and it shall be as you wish." He scratched

    The part of his head under his hat. The apartment

    Seemed to grow smaller. "But what if no pleasant

    Inspiration plunge us now to the stars? For this is my

    country."



    Suddenly they remembered how it was cheaper in the country.

    Wimpy was thoughtfully cutting open a number 2 can of spinach

    When the door opened and Swee'pea crept in. "How pleasant!"

    But Swee'pea looked morose. A note was pinned to his bib.

    "Thunder

    And tears are unavailing," it read. "Henceforth shall

    Popeye's apartment

    Be but remembered space, toxic or salubrious, whole or

    scratched."



    Olive came hurtling through the window; its geraniums scratched

    Her long thigh. "I have news!" she gasped. "Popeye, forced as

    you know to flee the country

    One musty gusty evening, by the schemes of his wizened,

    duplicate father, jealous of the apartment

    And all that it contains, myself and spinach

    In particular, heaves bolts of loving thunder

    At his own astonished becoming, rupturing the pleasant



    Arpeggio of our years. No more shall pleasant

    Rays of the sun refresh your sense of growing old, nor the

    scratched

    Tree-trunks and mossy foliage, only immaculate darkness and

    thunder."

    She grabbed Swee'pea. "I'm taking the brat to the country."

    "But you can't do that--he hasn't even finished his spinach,"

    Urged the Sea Hag, looking fearfully around at the apartment.



    But Olive was already out of earshot. Now the apartment

    Succumbed to a strange new hush. "Actually it's quite pleasant

    Here," thought the Sea Hag. "If this is all we need fear from

    spinach

    Then I don't mind so much. Perhaps we could invite Alice the Goon

    over"--she scratched

    One dug pensively--"but Wimpy is such a country

    Bumpkin, always burping like that." Minute at first, the thunder



    Soon filled the apartment. It was domestic thunder,

    The color of spinach. Popeye chuckled and scratched

    His balls: it sure was pleasant to spend a day in the country.
    Last edited by Falls City Beer; 06-29-2006 at 04:27 PM.

  9. #8
    Hey Cubs Fans RFS62's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    16,601

    Re: Junior's numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by gonelong
    I couldn't fault Tony on that one, he had his number retired for all the things he had done for the franchise. They wanted to "unretire" his number simply because another player (albiet a great player), who had done nothing for the franchise to date, wanted that number.

    Basically they were telling Tony that as a franchise highly value you, but we value the new kid more. I'd have been a bit PO'd myself, "the kid" or not, and I'd have been a bit PO'd they even thought to ask.

    GL

    Yeah, it was bad form. Doggie shouldn't have been put in that position. And the press ran with it, the beginning of Juniors travails.

    Sure seems like a long time ago, doesn't it?
    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
    ~ Mark Twain

  10. #9
    Waiting for a tour/album KittyDuran's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Hamilton, Ohio
    Posts
    8,411

    Re: Junior's numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by gonelong
    I couldn't fault Tony on that one, he had his number retired for all the things he had done for the franchise. They wanted to "unretire" his number simply because another player (albiet a great player), who had done nothing for the franchise to date, wanted that number.

    Basically they were telling Tony that as a franchise highly value you, but we value the new kid more. I'd have been a bit PO'd myself, "the kid" or not, and I'd have been a bit PO'd they even thought to ask.

    GL

    /nice thread RFS ... I have been thinking along the same lines earlier this year and never got around to posting it. (shades of Eric Davis)
    I agree 100% - Doggie was the heart and soul of the BRM - to even ask the man when in that year IIRC he was inducted in the HOF was uncalled for (but it happened... (I wonder if it was Bowden who asked?).

    And BTW RFS, very nice thread indeed!
    2014 Reds record when I'm attending: 23-18 - FINAL
    2014 Dragons record when I'm attending: 2-1 - FINAL
    "We want to be the band to dance to when the bomb drops." - Simon Le Bon of Duran Duran

  11. #10
    Mod Law zombie-a-go-go's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Miskatonic University
    Posts
    4,302

    Re: Junior's numbers

    FCB, you're fired.

    "It's easier to give up. I'm not a very vocal player. I lead by example. I take the attitude that I've got to go out and do it. Because of who I am, I've got to give everything I've got to come back."
    -Ken Griffey Jr.

  12. #11
    Hey Cubs Fans RFS62's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    16,601

    Re: Junior's numbers

    FCB, that was beautiful, man.

    *sniff*
    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
    ~ Mark Twain

  13. #12
    Your killin' me Smalls! StillFunkyB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Florence, KY
    Posts
    3,128

    Re: Junior's numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62
    When Junior first came to the Reds, he was widely considered to be the best player in baseball.

    The grand plan was to watch him finish his career in Cincinnati on an unstoppable march towards Aaron's record.

    But a few things happened along the way. Nagging injuries turned into debilitating conditions. Screws in the leg, rehab after rehab. The Natural became the bionic man, an ongoing experiment for Kremchek and the trainers to get back on the field.

    Watching him now, no longer "the Kid", but rather an elder statesman, and it occurrs to me that his new jersey number this year really sums up his time in Cincy.

    One of the first controversies in his first year came about when he wanted Doggie to allow him to wear number 24. It got a lot of press, much of it overblown, but it seemed petulant and immature. His Seattle stalkers all hooted and howled, claiming we were seeing the Junior they knew.

    The number thing died down, and he kept number 30, same as his dad wore on the Big Red Machine.

    Now, this year, he's wearing number 3, in honor of his three kids. He's seems more mature, mellow, and comfortable with his place in history. There's no more talk about catching Aaron. There hasn't been in a while, with all the injuries and rehabs.

    And his press now is so improved. He reminds me of Jimmy Connors in the later stages of his career, how he was finally embraced, especially in New York. America loves to tear down it's heros, then build them back up if they fight their way back to the top.

    With the steroids scandal dominating the news, Junior is once more "the Natural", only for different reasons. It's in fashion again to love Junior, and not just for his incredible talent, but for the kind of man he is and how he conducts his life.

    From a silly flap over number 24 when he first got here, to easing into number 3 in honor of his children. It just strikes me as perfect symmetry. We're still lucky to be able to say we watched him roam centerfield in a Reds uniform. And we're blessed to say we watched him continue to grow as a man.

    Excellent post RFS!
    "And the fact that watching him pitch is like having someone poop on your soul." FCB on Gary Majewski

  14. #13
    got alil captain in u?
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Bridgeport Ohio
    Posts
    4,839

    Re: Junior's numbers

    that's a great post

  15. #14
    Pitching is the thing WVRedsFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Location
    Rainelle, WV
    Posts
    8,148

    Re: Junior's numbers

    Great post.
    www.ris-news.com
    "You only have to bat a thousand in two things; flying and heart transplants. Everything else you can go 4-for-5."
    -Beano Cook

  16. #15
    The Lineups stink. KronoRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    West N. Carolina
    Posts
    55,692

    Re: Junior's numbers

    Nice post RFS
    Go Gators!


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25