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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    It's so frustrating that Weathers gets the win tonight!!!!

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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by kyred14
    Bullpen? Everyone knows the real problem:

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    Beating a dead horse here.

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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    on ename u can't call from the minors is wagner

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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    Hammond was going well there for a while. I'm guessing that maybe like hitters they just arent in the zone. As Weathers, Hammond and Mercker have shown some signs of consistency during the season we can hope that the big aberrations come in games like the ones tonight. With Atlanta coming up Narron was probably hoping he could save Beslisle, Standridge and Coffey for those games.

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    In the 14th century in Glasgow, Scotland, Archbishop Dunbar execrated some reivers for raping and pillaging and generally returning to their pagan ways. It's a curse, and I share it with you, gentle readers, in the hope that you can apply to the 2006 Cincy Reds bullpen:

    "I curse their head and all the hairs of their head; I curse their face, their brain (innermost thoughts), their mouth, their nose, their tongue, their teeth, their forehead, their shoulders, their breast, their heart, their stomach, their back, their womb, their arms, their legs, their hands, their feet, and every part of their body, from the top of their head to the soles of their feet, before and behind, within and without."

    "I curse them going and I curse them riding; I curse them standing and I curse them sitting; I curse them eating and I curse them drinking; I curse them rising, and I curse them lying; I curse them at home, I curse them away from home; I curse them within the house, I curse them outside of the house; I curse their wives, their children, and their servants who participate in their deeds. I (bring ill wishes upon) their crops, their cattle, their wool, their sheep, their horses, their swine, their geese, their hens, and all their livestock. I (bring ill wishes upon) their halls, their chambers, their kitchens, their stanchions, their barns, their cowsheds, their barnyards, their cabbage patches, their plows, their harrows, and the goods and houses that are necessary for their sustenance and welfare."

    "May all the malevolent wishes and curses ever known, since the beginning of the world, to this hour, light on them. May the malediction of God, that fell upon Lucifer and all his fellows, that cast them from the high Heaven to the deep hell, light upon them."

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    "May the evil that fell upon cursed Cain, when he slew his brother Abel, needlessly, fall on them for the needless slaughter that they commit daily."

    "May the malediction that fell upon all the world, man and beast, and all that ever took life, when all were drowned by the flood of Noah, except Noah and his ark, fall upon them and drown them, man and beast, and make this realm free of them, for their wicked sins."

    "May the thunder and lightning which rained down upon Sodom and Gomorra and all the lands surrounding them, and burned them for their vile sins, rain down upon them and burn them for their open sins. May the evil and confusion that fell on the Gigantis for their oppression and pride in building the Tower of Babylon, confound them and all their works, for their open callous disregard and oppression."

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    "May the wild fire that reduced Thore and his followers to two-hundred-fifty in number, and others from 14,000 to 7,000 at anys, usurping against Moses and Aaron, servants of God, suddenly burn and consume them daily, for opposing the commands of God and Holy Church."

    "May the malediction that suddenly fell upon fair Absolom, riding through the wood against his father, King David, when the branches of a tree knocked him from his horse and hanged him by the hair, fall upon these untrue Scotsmen and hang them the same way, that all the world may see."

    "May the malediction that fell upon Nebuchadnezzar's lieutenant, Olifernus, making war and savagery upon true Christian men; the malediction that fell upon Judas, Pilate, Herod, and the Jews that crucified Our Lord; and all the plagues and troubles that fell on the city of Jerusalem therefore, and upon Simon Magus for his treachery, bloody Nero, Ditius Magcensius, Olibrius, Julianus Apostita and the rest of the cruel tyrants who slew and murdered Christ's holy servants, fall upon them for their cruel tyranny and murder of Christian people."

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    "I sever and part them from the church of God, and deliver them immediately to the devil of hell, as the Apostle Paul delivered Corinth. I bar the entrance of all places they come to, for divine service and ministration of the sacraments of holy church, except the sacrament of infant baptism, only; and I forbid all churchmen to hear their confession or to absolve them of their sins, until they are first humbled / subjugated by this curse."

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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    All righty then. I see FCB has found his happy place.
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    The question is why stay with the old guys who have shown they can't get it done and are just lucky to have a job. Belisle looked great last night so where was he Jerry?

    I said before the season that White, Burns and Hammond had no business being on the roster. Wayne, fix the problem and remove the temptation from Narron.
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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85
    The question is why stay with the old guys who have shown they can't get it done and are just lucky to have a job. Belisle looked great last night so where was he Jerry?

    I said before the season that White, Burns and Hammond had no business being on the roster. Wayne, fix the problem and remove the temptation from Narron.


    But they are on the roster. So they have to contribute innings. Would you rather throw Belisle tonight, up by three runs in the 8th, and save Hammond for the Indians this weekend?

    If they're on the roster, they have to throw innings. And if they have to throw innings, are there any innings more low pressure than coming out in the 8th tonight with a much better team looming this weekend?
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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    Hammond and Weathers are Narron's cocaine and heroin.

    Please keep that stuff away from him.

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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

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    This is family-friendly right?
    Hate that term "family-friendly." As if families, in the presence of their own homes don't swear or do anything wrong. How Ozzie and Harriet to think that, but...maybe it should be "children friendly?"

    Anyway, I've said all I need to say about this anyway. I guess that's pretty family-friendly, huh?
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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    In the 14th century in Glasgow, Scotland, Archbishop Dunbar execrated some reivers for raping and pillaging and generally returning to their pagan ways. It's a curse, and I share it with you, gentle readers, in the hope that you can apply to the 2006 Cincy Reds bullpen:

    "I curse their head and all the hairs of their head; I curse their face, their brain (innermost thoughts), their mouth, their nose, their tongue, their teeth, their forehead, their shoulders, their breast, their heart, their stomach, their back, their womb, their arms, their legs, their hands, their feet, and every part of their body, from the top of their head to the soles of their feet, before and behind, within and without."

    "I curse them going and I curse them riding; I curse them standing and I curse them sitting; I curse them eating and I curse them drinking; I curse them rising, and I curse them lying; I curse them at home, I curse them away from home; I curse them within the house, I curse them outside of the house; I curse their wives, their children, and their servants who participate in their deeds. I (bring ill wishes upon) their crops, their cattle, their wool, their sheep, their horses, their swine, their geese, their hens, and all their livestock. I (bring ill wishes upon) their halls, their chambers, their kitchens, their stanchions, their barns, their cowsheds, their barnyards, their cabbage patches, their plows, their harrows, and the goods and houses that are necessary for their sustenance and welfare."
    Hey, FCB? You been reading my mail???
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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    It's a barn without an 80 inning horse, and one without a stud middle reliever who can eat up 90-100 innings.

    The BP is too old period, some of the parts aren't bad, but the usage pattern and what is being asked of them is exposing the warts each guy has.

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    Hopefully tonight will be the last we see of Hammond and Weathers in setup roles.
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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    What, the bullpens been a grease fire?? I hadn't noticed

    Weathers is probably not 100% and guys with his stuff can't be effective at less than 100%. You can't DFA everyone. Shut him down for 15 days and see if he can be effective again in mid-July.

    Coffey shouldn't be closing and is probably better served as a setup man, but necessity says he needs to close.

    Hopefully Belisle will be a huge help to get some of the 7th and 8th innings.

    MIA is Ryan Wagner to help. Coffey + Belisle + Wagner should have been your trio of prime late inning eaters in close games. The gaping hole in the upper minors is biting the Reds in the rear end for alternatives.

    On the bright side the pen should be much easier to fix and upgrade then a rotation --having 2 studs (and a third in the Lizard who looks good so far as at least a midlevel starter) is a huge plus. Whether some major retooling can be done before the offseason remains to be seen...

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    Re: Official Vent Your Frustration At Bullpen Thread

    From the get-go, this bullpen looked like a trainwreck in the making. Too many declining vets and soft tossers. No firebreathing KO specialist. No reliable inning eater. In short, a bullpen held together with bubble gum and baling wire, with only the faintest prayer to be halfway decent.

    After Hancock got summarily axed this spring, followed by the puzzling judgment call to cut Wagner and replace him with Burns, I could smell disaster in the air.

    Unfortunately, my worst suspicions have come to pass. There's enough blame to go around. The individual relievers, except Coffey and Belisle, have done little to instill confidence. O'Brien and Kullman saddled us with these questionable retreads, while Krivsky -- for all the magic he has worked elsewhere -- has been slow to fix the bullpen, either via trades or smart use of the reserve pitching talent we have stashed at Louisville and Chattanooga.

    Narron has compounded the problem by not effectively mixing and matching the bullpen pieces based on actual performance, as opposed to false expectations. An example: He proclaims Belisle and Standridge as his new setup men, then instead of using them in that capacity, keeps right on hauling Hammond and Weathers out in late-inning situations. Weathers has an 11.57 ERA for the month of June. I haven't recalculated Hammond's ERA following the three runs he surrendered in 0.1 IP tonight, but he's challenging Weathers for the bullpen's most bloated ERA for the month.

    What can be done to disinfect the mess?

    First, place Weathers on the DL to make room for Encarnacion's return. The five days rest didn't heal Weathers' tendonitis. He needs to be shut down, then sent on a rehab assignment at Louisville to get his act together.

    Secondly, put Hammond on a short leash, relegating him to mopup duties where we're trailing. In the meantime, go ahead and let Belisle and Standridge try out as setup men, and use Yan and Mercker for more meaningful middle relief work. Yan has a 4.22 ERA for June, and Mercker is showing signs of recovering his stamina following his stint on the DL.

    Thirdly, once Claussen comes off the DL, make a determination on whether he or Mays can best hold down that last spot in the rotation. Reassign whoever loses the competition to the pen to serve as a legitimate inning eater. Hopefully, we'll have traded a catcher by then to clear the roster spot, but if not, then it's bueno-bye to either Hammond or the Mighty Q.

    Finally, Krivsky needs to redouble his efforts to improve the bullpen. If he can't work any favorable trades until late July, then by all means, work the waiver wire. Even though he's no spring chicken himself, Remlinger pitched better this season for the Braves than any of our retread relievers. Now that Remlinger's been DFAed, get him on board if a trade to upgrade the bullpen is at least 3-5 weeks off.

    It's almost July, and we're only one game back of St. Louis for the divisional lead. The bullpen has been our Achilles heel all year. We're at that juncture where the rubber meets the pavement.

    It was asking too much to expect miracles from this motley bullpen. Now, we have to be more realistic, downsizing our expectations of what this existing crew can deliver, while fully preparing to go a different route to achieve some measure of success, however modest.
    Last edited by Guacarock; 06-30-2006 at 02:40 AM.


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