Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 21

Thread: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

  1. #1
    Rally Onion! Chip R's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    34,343

    Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...p-363501c.html


    Yanks do A-Rod an in-Justice

    David Justice's pointed critique of Alex Rodriguez Tuesday night on the Yankees Entertainment & Sports Network was not a solo act.

    A variety of moles, some embedded inside YES, said Justice, the network's pre- and postgame studio analyst, was strongly encouraged - perhaps even ordered - to criticize A-Rod, by YES brass, including the network's production boss, John Filippelli.

    "It (Justice's A-Rod rip) was verbatim what they wanted him to say," one mole said.

    The question is, did the order to verbally hit A-Rod come directly from the Yankees' high command?

    Justice was not the only YES voice approached to put the wood to Rodriguez, who was mired in another slump until breaking out Wednesday with a game-winning home run. The three voices who worked Tuesday night's game on YES - Michael Kay, Jim Kaat, and Al Leiter - were also "encouraged" to come down on A-Rod. Saying Rodriguez was not the only problem the Yankees have, they flat out refused to single him out and trash him.

    When asked about the situation, Eric Handler, a YES spokesman, would only say: "As always, there is a healthy give and take among production personnel regarding the direction of the show."

    Apparently, this particular "give and take" lingered after Tuesday night's postgame show ended. After hearing Justice's spiel on A-Rod, the three voices were stunned by the length and intensity of the spew. "They (Kay, Kaat, Leiter) could not believe this ---," one source said.

    "They were all still steamed when they came back to the Stadium Wednesday morning (to work Braves-Yankees game)."

    The timing of Justice's soliloquy was curious for one reason: He had recently encouraged fans to lay off A-Rod and stop booing him.

    And yet Tuesday night, Justice, in one of his more compelling moments as a YES analyst, delivered a measured but hard-hitting riff on Rodriguez. Even if it was scripted, it had impact.

    "If the game is 9-2, he might make it 9-4. If the game is 7-1, he might make it 9-1. But when it is 2-2 late in the ballgame and I need a base hit to score a run, the numbers show he has not been getting it done," Justice said.

    "... The one guy you need more than any of them (Damon, Giambi, Jeter), just because of his sheer talent and ability to carry a ballclub on his back, is not answering the bell and that is what is so frustrating to the fans. And I'm sure it is frustrating to him," Justice said.

    "...Everyone says he is going to come around, but if he comes around in two weeks, where will the Yankees be between now and two weeks?" Justice asked.

    To put this episode into historical perspective you must go back long before YES was in business. Ten years ago if a particular Yankee was slumping, and getting paid millions, George Steinbrenner would have called a baseball writer, blasted the player, and sent a harsh message in the form of a blaring back-page headline.

    Now that Steinbrenner is not inclined to smoke players through the newspapers, maybe his people - perhaps Yankees prez Randy Levine - are doing it through their TV network.

    "This is the same thing George used to do, but simply done differently," a source said. "Any number of people could have been involved in this, but everyone seems to agree David Justice didn't do this on his own."

    And if the hit on A-Rod was not ordered by Yankees brass, it could be Filippelli again anticipating what Steinbrenner or Levine wants to see on the network - the kind of message he believes they want to send.

    However, this all could simply be a case of Filippelli micromanaging his broadcast team. It is not uncommon, sources said, for him to telephone the booth multiple times during a game with instructions or suggestions for the voices. This habit apparently is wearing thin on the announcers and creating frustration.

    Since he has come to the Yankees, A-Rod has been a lightning rod for controversy. Now, in a certain sense, he has created a storm in the broadcast booth. YES has always had its share of static - from Steinbrenner ordering a ban on Don Zimmer camera shots to the suits feeding Kim Jones questions to ask Joe Torre - so this A-Rod episode is not unusual.

    Still, by the reaction of YES broadcasters to this Justice/Rodriguez thing, one must wonder if they are getting tired of what passes for business as usual at YES.

    On Wednesday afternoon, during the seventh inning, Kay, Kaat and Leiter were discussing how umpires are affected by QuesTec.

    "This is like Big Brother looking over your shoulder," Kaat said. "Nobody likes to do their job with somebody standing behind them trying to influence how you do your job. You hire a guy, you ought to give them the right to call 'em as he sees 'em." Considering this latest YES flap, one wonders if Kaat was only thinking about umpires.
    The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Will post for food BuckeyeRedleg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Dublin, OH
    Posts
    5,328

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    I think a city like Cincinnati may be the best place for Arod to finish his career.

    I would ask for a trade if I were him.

  4. #3
    Harry Chiti Fan registerthis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    5,872

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    ARod is--possibly--the greatest baseball player of his generation, if not ever. It has never ceased to amaze me the lack of appreciation he gets.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

  5. #4
    Box of Frogs edabbs44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    16,296

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Seriously...his OBP is great. How can anyone find anything wrong with his game?

  6. #5
    Rally Onion! Chip R's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    34,343

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg
    I think a city like Cincinnati may be the best place for Arod to finish his career.

    I would ask for a trade if I were him.
    Yeah, because star players are never criticized here. :
    The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

  7. #6
    Puffy's Daddy Red Leader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Centerville, OH
    Posts
    20,422

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    ARod is--possibly--the greatest baseball player of his generation, if not ever. It has never ceased to amaze me the lack of appreciation he gets.
    Amen. The guy agreed to switch positions for someone who has an inferior skill set to him, all to become a Yankee and try to help this team win. He was the leagues MVP last year. He has struggled in the field and offensively this year, but get over it. I don't know too many players that produce from Game 1-Game 162 in any given year both in the field and at the plate. I really wish A-Rod would get out of NY. They are not worthy of his talent and selflessness.
    'When I'm not longer rapping, I want to open up an ice cream parlor and call myself Scoop Dogg.'
    -Snoop on his retirement

    Your Mom is happy.

  8. #7
    Danger is my business! oneupper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Back in Florida
    Posts
    8,142

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44
    Seriously...his OBP is great. How can anyone find anything wrong with his game?
    The allegation is that ARod is not ''clutch" and that his numbers are the result of high performance in low leverage situations coupled with poor performance in high leverage situations.

    Is that true? Anecdotally, perhaps. It does seem that A-Rod has a knack of being the guy that goes 4-4 and drives in 7 runs in the 14-3 blowout.

    I'd like to see some ''good'' measure of clutch hitting (sorry, RISP and late and close don't convince me) for Arod compared with his peers (Ortiz, Manny, Vlad, etc.) over a period of several years to see if there is something to this.

    Otherwise...the numbers pretty much speak for themselves. OH...and he can field, too (they just don't let him).

    Forgot to mention...rarely gets injured.
    "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

    http://dalmady.blogspot.com

  9. #8
    Mon chou Choo vaticanplum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Posts
    7,181

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    ARod is--possibly--the greatest baseball player of his generation, if not ever. It has never ceased to amaze me the lack of appreciation he gets.
    cyclone has promised me that A-Rod will get the respect he deserves as he approaches more record-breaking milestones (he's already hit a few -- youngest to hit 400 HRs, etc.)

    The reason he does not get more respect is:

    1. He is rich
    2. He plays for the Yankees
    3. he is really really good
    4. because of myths perpetuated about him by people who begrduge him any of the things in #s 1-3, such as this guy:

    http://nomaas.org/sportsguydecline.html

    (wordy article, but well worth reading)
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

  10. #9
    Will post for food BuckeyeRedleg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Dublin, OH
    Posts
    5,328

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    Yeah, because star players are never criticized here. :

    Players are criticized everywhere, but not nearly to the degree of NY.

    They don't deserve him.

  11. #10
    Mon chou Choo vaticanplum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Posts
    7,181

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg
    Players are criticized everywhere, but not nearly to the degree of NY.

    They don't deserve him.
    They courted him; they convinced him. Thus, they deserve him.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

  12. #11
    My clutch is broken RichRed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Posts
    3,868

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    A-Rod pretty much performs the same in "clutch" situations as he does in "non-clutch" situations, whatever they are - just like most players do. Dave Justice, George Steinbrenner and anyone else who wants to can look it up, just like I did. It's not that hard.

    I would take this "choker" on the Reds in less than a heartbeat.
    "I can make all the stadiums rock."
    -Air Supply

  13. #12
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    42,280

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44
    Seriously...his OBP is great. How can anyone find anything wrong with his game?
    Way to try and hijack the thread, have any other agendas for today? :thumbdown

  14. #13
    Churlish Johnny Footstool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Olathe, KS
    Posts
    13,783

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44
    Seriously...his OBP is great. How can anyone find anything wrong with his game?
    Sounds like you're finally starting to get it. Hooray for you!
    "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

  15. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Monfort Heights
    Posts
    620

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    I think most of the ARod hatred is jealosy.
    He's young, he's rich, he plays for the premier franchise in professional sports (I hate the Yankees but no American team has the notoriety they do)

    I think the guy's a class act and if not for the idiocy of NYY management would have gone down as unquestionably the greatest shortstop in the history of major league baseball. As it stands now he'll have to settle for 700+ HR and being one of the top 10 players in baseball history.

    People criticize the contract but don't realize that that was a different time. I'll continue to say at the time that was his value. If Jeter was a $19 mil player and Manny was a $20 mil player then ARod was underpaid at $25 mil. At the time that was the going rate for a player of that caliber. ARod just takes the heat because he was the premier free agent probably in the history of sports. No one ever made it to free agency at that age with that level of success.

  16. #15
    Box of Frogs edabbs44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    16,296

    Re: Justice ordered to criticize A-Rod?

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    ARod is--possibly--the greatest baseball player of his generation, if not ever. It has never ceased to amaze me the lack of appreciation he gets.
    The reason for this is he plays in NY. All NY cares about is what happens in October. He could hit .450 with 75 HRs and 200 RBI and if they get bounced in the playoffs and ARod has a bad series, he'll get destroyed.

    Another reason is that he wasn't in NY in the late 90s. It seems like you had to have been with the team then to be fully embraced by the city and its fans.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25