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    Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Scott leads the majors in percentage of swings that result in a ball in play. 61.4% of the time Hatteberg swings at a pitch, he hits into the field of play.

    I'm not sure what this means other than that he's real good at waiting for "his" pitch. Just thought I'd mention it.
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Quote Originally Posted by chicoruiz
    Scott leads the majors in percentage of swings that result in a ball in play. 61.4% of the time Hatteberg swings at a pitch, he hits into the field of play.

    I'm not sure what this means other than that he's real good at waiting for "his" pitch. Just thought I'd mention it.
    Link? Does this count foul balls? (I'm assuming it does)...

    I think it means a guy like Scott can afford to go deeper into counts.
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper
    Link? Does this count foul balls? (I'm assuming it does)...

    I think it means a guy like Scott can afford to go deeper into counts.
    I never worry that he is going to hack at a bad pitch and K....his K yesterday was a horrible called 3rd strike.

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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels
    I never worry that he is going to hack at a bad pitch and K....his K yesterday was a horrible called 3rd strike.
    With an automated strike zone, the Hat would hit .500
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    He's a good ball player. Many missed this fact when he was signed.
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Quote Originally Posted by chicoruiz
    Scott leads the majors in percentage of swings that result in a ball in play. 61.4% of the time Hatteberg swings at a pitch, he hits into the field of play.

    I'm not sure what this means other than that he's real good at waiting for "his" pitch. Just thought I'd mention it.

    In Hatteburg's case your conclusion is correct; but the raw number itself without other knowledge could just as easily indicate somebody that chased the first pitch everytime and popped it up.

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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds1
    He's a good ball player. Many missed this fact when he was signed.
    No one missed anything. He simply wasn't a good player in 2001, 2003, and 2005, and he was barely adequate in 2002 and 2004.

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     2001 BOS 94 278 68 19 0 3 25 34 33 26 1 1 .245 .325 .345 .670 
     2002 OAK 136 492 138 22 4 15 61 58 68 56 0 0 .280 .374 .433 .807 
     2003 OAK 147 541 137 34 0 12 61 63 66 53 0 1 .253 .342 .383 .725 
     2004 OAK 152 550 156 30 0 15 82 87 72 48 0 0 .284 .367 .420 .787 
     2005 OAK 134 464 119 19 0 7 59 52 51 54 0 1 .256 .334 .343 .677 
     2006 CIN 72 226 66 17 0 6 22 31 41 16 0 2 .292 .403 .447 .850
    He's having a career year at age 36, which is incredibly rare.
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Sorry; I should have provided the link:

    http://baseballanalysts.com/

    I was just so proud of myself for using a word like "esoteric" in a topic that I forgot.

    Logically, a ball "in play" could be a foul pop that doesn't land in the stands, but I'm not sure how whoever compiled this stat figured it.
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    He would make a good cleanup hitter. Making contact is the most important asset in the cleanup role.

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    I don't get why so many people are down on Narron for playing Hatteberg who by everyone's favorite statistic - OBP is having a very good year. Then many people yell about him batting Dunn 2nd instead of 4th when to be honest you want a high OBP guy batting high in the order - Don't you? I think most people just look for things to be upset about. Narron's batting orders and playing guys like Hatteberg isn't the problem with this team.
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Quote Originally Posted by paulrichjr
    I don't get why so many people are down on Narron for playing Hatteberg who by everyone's favorite statistic - OBP is having a very good year. Then many people yell about him batting Dunn 2nd instead of 4th when to be honest you want a high OBP guy batting high in the order - Don't you? I think most people just look for things to be upset about. Narron's batting orders and playing guys like Hatteberg isn't the problem with this team.
    Hitting Aurilia 4th every game doesnt help. I am embarassed to be a Reds fan every time I see his name there. I remember in April thinking how I would hate to be an opposing pitcher going through our lineup. Now we give them a break, every game, right there in the middle.

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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Quote Originally Posted by paulrichjr
    I don't get why so many people are down on Narron for playing Hatteberg who by everyone's favorite statistic - OBP is having a very good year. Then many people yell about him batting Dunn 2nd instead of 4th when to be honest you want a high OBP guy batting high in the order - Don't you? I think most people just look for things to be upset about. Narron's batting orders and playing guys like Hatteberg isn't the problem with this team.
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    I'm a big fan of riding the Hatteberg career year bandwagon, but I have a problem with people saying "Hatteberg has always been a good player" when it simply isn't true.

    And I still think batting him fifth behind Aurilia is idiotic.
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Quote Originally Posted by paulrichjr
    I don't get why so many people are down on Narron for playing Hatteberg who by everyone's favorite statistic - OBP is having a very good year. Then many people yell about him batting Dunn 2nd instead of 4th when to be honest you want a high OBP guy batting high in the order - Don't you? I think most people just look for things to be upset about. Narron's batting orders and playing guys like Hatteberg isn't the problem with this team.
    I'm not upset at all. I think he should play nearly everyday. I think that his ability to not make outs is truly amazing.
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Given Jr.'s sudden inability to take a walk, I wouldn't mind seeing

    Lopez/Freel
    Hatteberg
    Dunn
    Kearns
    Junior
    Aurilia/EE
    Phillips/Lopez
    Ross/Larue/Valentin

    When Lopez is out, put Phillips at SS, and leadoff Freel who plays 2B. Of course, Junior wouldn't hit out of 3rd and that would require Aurillia not cleaning up...
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    Re: Hatteberg Leads In Esoteric Stat

    Where's Castro? Thank God you're not the manager!

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick
    Given Jr.'s sudden inability to take a walk, I wouldn't mind seeing

    Lopez/Freel
    Hatteberg
    Dunn
    Kearns
    Junior
    Aurilia
    Phillips/Lopez
    Ross/Larue/Valentin

    When Lopez is out, put Phillips at SS, and leadoff Freel who plays 2B.


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