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    Sad State of Affairs

    It's getting so frustrating that I didn't even listen to the game tonight (complicated by the fact that I only had XM and the Atlanta broadcast--the only negative about that service). TV was blacked out for some reason after the 5th inning--the call to DTV was a bit ole "Duh." Anyway, i began to play with statistics and found...

    During the losing streak, our hottest hitter was Scott Hatteberg, but look at the rest:

    Lopez - .111 - 2/18
    Phillips - .222 - 4/18
    Griffey - .269
    Dunn - .296
    Kearns - .240
    Hatteberg - .529 !
    EdE - .200 (1/5 tonight)
    Ross - .300
    Freel - .250
    LaRue - .222
    Aurilia - .286
    Castro - .273

    Lopez and Phillips are in big slumps, Griffey is below his usual, Kearns is slumping while Aurilia and Dunn are hitting the ball well. Inconsistency at it's best.

    Oh, the pitching. Look at these ERA's:

    Mays - 12.75
    Standridge - 6.00
    Beslile - 9.00
    Coffey - 16.36
    Weathers - 6.00
    Shackelford - 8.37
    Yan - 0.00
    Mercker - 2.25

    The starters:

    35.1 IP 48H 29 ER 7.45 ERA

    Take Mays out of it and you get:

    25 IP 28 H 15 ER 5.40 ERA

    IOW's Mays is killing us. DFA him!

    The bullpen?

    20 IP 26H 12ER 5.40 ERA

    Take Coffey out of the equation and the ERA is 4.21.

    Not good, but it's not rocket science to see that Mays and Coffey are killing us.

    Food for thought.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    The game was on TBS. I thought everyone had TBS.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Tiny sample size.

    Also no matter how many 'individual players' are slumping offensively, the offense as a 'team' is not.

    6 games, 31 runs
    5.1 RPG

    We have also scored 7 runs 3 times during the streak, and don't have a W to show.

    It also seems like when we hit well, we haven't pitched well. We got a QS from Milton, but we only scored 3 runs and we got a QS from EZ, but only managed 3 runs in 9 innings (5 total).

    So in our quality starts we have scored 8 runs in 2 games (4 RPG), and in non- quality starts we have scored 23 runs in 4 games (5.75 RPG).

    In 5 of the 6 losses the tieing and/or winning run has come to the plate in the final inning.

    Really we have had some bad luck, mixed in with some bad bullpen.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan
    It's getting so frustrating that I didn't even listen to the game tonight (complicated by the fact that I only had XM and the Atlanta broadcast--the only negative about that service). TV was blacked out for some reason after the 5th inning--the call to DTV was a bit ole "Duh." Anyway, i began to play with statistics and found...

    During the losing streak, our hottest hitter was Scott Hatteberg, but look at the rest:

    Lopez - .111 - 2/18
    Phillips - .222 - 4/18
    Griffey - .269
    Dunn - .296
    Kearns - .240
    Hatteberg - .529 !
    EdE - .200 (1/5 tonight)
    Ross - .300
    Freel - .250
    LaRue - .222
    Aurilia - .286
    Castro - .273

    Lopez and Phillips are in big slumps, Griffey is below his usual, Kearns is slumping while Aurilia and Dunn are hitting the ball well. Inconsistency at it's best.
    Let me play devil's advocate....

    Does BA really matter?

    We came back and put up 7 runs last night (a victory most any other time).... and what, once again, failed us?

    Fix the pitching and ya got a winner IMO.

    This offense cannot be expected to overcome the amount of runs allowed. No offense really can.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC
    Let me play devil's advocate....

    Does BA really matter?

    We came back and put up 7 runs last night (a victory most any other time).... and what, once again, failed us?

    Fix the pitching and ya got a winner IMO.

    This offense cannot be expected to overcome the amount of runs allowed. No offense really can.
    batting average only matters when we're not talking about adam dunn

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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Anybody figured out what exactly is the matter with Coffey? Dude is killin' us right now.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Team Clark says he is tipping his pitches.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC
    Team Clark says he is tipping his pitches.
    Someone should tell Coffeybro and have him relay the message.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Quote Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC
    Team Clark says he is tipping his pitches.
    I just read that somewhere else, too.
    For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.

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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup
    The game was on TBS. I thought everyone had TBS.
    TBS and a few other channels are in a disagreement with our cable company, so we're out of luck on that--the cable company changed hands as of Monday. The dish was non-operational last night due to the installation of the HD system I'm installing.

    Either way you had to listen to the pukey Atlanta announcers. Yuck.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup
    The game was on TBS. I thought everyone had TBS.
    Everyone with cable. It's not a national network station, only in the Atlanta area.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    Tiny sample size.

    Also no matter how many 'individual players' are slumping offensively, the offense as a 'team' is not.

    6 games, 31 runs
    5.1 RPG

    We have also scored 7 runs 3 times during the streak, and don't have a W to show.

    It also seems like when we hit well, we haven't pitched well. We got a QS from Milton, but we only scored 3 runs and we got a QS from EZ, but only managed 3 runs in 9 innings (5 total).

    So in our quality starts we have scored 8 runs in 2 games (4 RPG), and in non- quality starts we have scored 23 runs in 4 games (5.75 RPG).

    In 5 of the 6 losses the tieing and/or winning run has come to the plate in the final inning.

    Really we have had some bad luck, mixed in with some bad bullpen.
    Obviously. I was only trying to point out that the bullpen is not the only problem right now. In addition to not being able to hold a lead (bullpen), we just aren't doing much offensively either. The guys who have helped carry this team thus far (Griffey, Phillips, Lopez..pick one) aren't. That's all.

    And it was meant to be a small sample size--the losing streak.
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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    4 out of the last 6 losses the Reds scored 5 runs or more, how is offense the blamed for that? 6.95 era and 1.83 whip in July.

    I know who I'm pointing the finger at.

    The war of attrition has started and it will hurt the Reds in the pen where they are both weakest and oldest.

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    Re: Sad State of Affairs

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou
    4 out of the last 6 losses the Reds scored 5 runs or more, how is offense the blamed for that? 6.95 era and 1.83 whip in July.

    I know who I'm pointing the finger at.

    The war of attrition has started and it will hurt the Reds in the pen where they are both weakest and oldest.
    Hopefully those that follow the team on a regular basis won't point to the offense as the problem like last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    Hopefully those that follow the team on a regular basis won't point to the offense as the problem like last year.
    Well...at times, it is a problem, but I agree. This offense is capable of scoring gobs of runs. Right now, it we could just go back to our April-May rate of allowing less than five runs, we'd be OK.

    I was also trying to point out that the starting pitching, which everyone had ballyhooed, was failing us too. And Mays should be sent packing and I'm not so sure about Coffey.

    Ain't it a shame when everything goes haywire at once???
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