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Thread: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

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    Posting in Dynarama M2's Avatar
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    Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    It's July and Wayne Krivsky's got a tough call to make. I know the Reds are just a tick off the division lead and wild card, but is that a reflection of the team's quality or is it a mirage?

    Here's your chance to decide.
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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Buyers.

    With how pathetic the NL is you have to make a run at it this year. Just don't be stupid about it.
    Last edited by reds44; 07-09-2006 at 06:01 PM.
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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Buyers.

    The only question is how much to spend.
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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Smart buyers, don't trade the farm for short term help.
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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    If they can get help for this year, so be it, but don't give away the store. Work towards the future. This year, IMO, is gravy, if we win anything.

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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    It's July and Wayne Krivsky's got a tough call to make. I know the Reds are just a tick off the division lead and wild card, but is that a reflection of the team's quality or is it a mirage?

    Here's your chance to decide.
    Sellers.

    This team overachieved incredibly just to get to this point, and the players who carried them here have mostly fallen back to earth (see: Coffey, Todd), are in the process of falling back to earth (see: Arroyo, Bronson and Ramirez, Elizardo), or are due for a bit of a fallback (see: Ross, David).

    There are also serious holes in this team in both the bullpen and the rotation. Simply put, there isn't a single proven arm in the bullpen that can be relied upon for 3 outs. It's so laughably bad that the manager is making decisions to send starters out to throw 130+ pitches in a 3 run game rather than give the ball to anyone out there. And, the back end of the rotation is positively nightmarish with some combination of Joe Mays, Eric Milton and Brandon Claussen coming out to pitch 40% of the games.

    By conservative estimates, I put this team at needing 4 additional players (1 league-average starter, 2 league average bullpeners, and 1 replacement-level bullpenner). None of those players are at the cusp of making the big leagues in the minors (which is dead at the AAA level), so the Reds will have to trade to get the help. You simply can't find THAT much major league talent midseason -- and even if you could, the cost to acquire it all would make even the most gung-ho members of this board blush.

    Sell some veterans -- clear some salary space, and maybe make the right blockbuster deal if it comes along. 2007 is where this team needs to be looking, because it's a long way down the rollercoaster in the 2nd half.
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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Unless a hot or cold streak makes the choice obvious, I expect them to keep straddling the fence. Krivsky will make what deals he can to improve the club as long as those moves don't touch the core of the club as he sees it for 2007 and beyond -- in other words, no trades of Homer Bailey or Joey Votto for a rent-a-player. At the same time, Castellini wants to win and, more to the point, he wants to convince Cincinnati fans that he wants to win and isn't just giving it lip service. If the line breaks, then fine, wave the white flag, but not until then.
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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    It's a mirage.

    Sellers. And I pray to the deity of my choice that the selling involves, at some point, some of Narron's beloved veterans. His toys must be confiscated for the good of us all.

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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Sell. Bronson is going back to his career avg. sell him while is value is very high. With no bullpen and the lack of a 4 and 5 starter. The lack of minor league talent to trade to improve this team would cost the Reds way too much in the future.

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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Quote Originally Posted by Redmachine2003
    Sell. Bronson is going back to his career avg. sell him while is value is very high.
    Trading Arroyo is exactly what the Reds shouldn't do unless they're conceding they don't want to win until 2009. By and large, the Reds' best players are young and under the Reds' control for the next couple of years at least; there's no reason to do a total teardown and punt 2007 and 2008. The situation calls for a renovation, not a demolition.
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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed
    Trading Arroyo is exactly what the Reds shouldn't do unless they're conceding they don't want to win until 2009. By and large, the Reds' best players are young and under the Reds' control for the next couple of years at least; there's no reason to do a total teardown and punt 2007 and 2008. The situation calls for a renovation, not a demolition.
    I would trade Arroyo if I could get a haul in return. I'm talking about 2 A+ pitching prospects that would be ready for 2007.
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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandRed
    Trading Arroyo is exactly what the Reds shouldn't do unless they're conceding they don't want to win until 2009. By and large, the Reds' best players are young and under the Reds' control for the next couple of years at least; there's no reason to do a total teardown and punt 2007 and 2008. The situation calls for a renovation, not a demolition.
    Well said. Milton/KGJ/Larue's $25 M payroll anchor is a huge missed opportunity to get whole lot better going into 2007. Fortunately Milton/Larue's burden goes away after next season. If Krivsky can figure out some way to unload a chunk of that mess between now and the end of 2006 then this team goes into 2007 in great shape.

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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Can we trade the one who makes the lineup call and other in game decisions for a bucket of used balls? And then bring back the one who brought us to the promised land the last time?
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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Buyers. It should only take one more good oar to row the boat fast enough to catch St. Louis... unless they buy a new oar, too.

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    Re: Time to make the call: Are the Reds buyers or sellers

    Sell like there's no tommorrow.

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