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    Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    When compared to these cats he probably doesn't even deserve it either unitl you think about the 9 million he gets next year.

    Every year major league teams spend millions of dollars on players who are almost always injured, who don't take their clubs to the next level or who simply don't live up to expectations.

    The majority of these "busts" were either free-agent signings, traded in the middle of big contracts or started their declines after they were given mega-extensions.

    There's no doubt Kevin Brown was one of the worst deals ever from a team's point of view. Brown signed with the Dodgers for seven years and $115 million before the 1999 season, and ended up averaging nine wins and $15 million in salary per year for Los Angeles and the Yankees.

    A couple of years later, the Rockies did practically the same thing with left-hander Mike Hampton -- a $121 million deal for eight years -- and since then, the left-hander has gone 53-48 with Colorado and Atlanta, and has not pitched since September 2005, when he had Tommy John surgery. Atlanta is paying Hampton $13.5 million for not pitching this year, and owes him another $29.5 million for 2007 and 2008. Atlanta assumed a total of $48.5 million of Hampton's deal when it acquired him from Colorado, and has a $20 million option for 2009.

    Brown and Hampton are two examples of deals gone bad in the last five to seven years. But what about more recent history? Here are the biggest busts since the end of the 2004 season.



    Pavano
    1. Carl Pavano, RHP, Yankees

    New York signed Pavano for four years and $39.5 million, after the right-hander won 18 games for Florida in 2004. Pavano was a disappointing 4-6 with a 4.77 ERA last year, and has not pitched in 2006. His four victories have cost the Yanks $17 million. The latest medical report indicates that New York could have Pavano back on the mound at some point in the second half. What no one knows is whether he'll regain the form he showed two years ago.
    2. Adrian Beltre, OF, Seattle

    After a monstrous 2004, when he was in the final year of his contract with the Dodgers, Beltre got a five-year, $65 million deal from the Mariners. Beltre, who hit .334 with 48 home runs and 121 RBI in 2004, has hit .254 with 26 HR and 122 RBI in a season and a half with Seattle. He has struck out 174 times in 244 games as a Mariner.


    Sexson
    3. Richie Sexson, 1B, Seattle

    In his first year with the Mariners, Sexson hit 39 home runs and drove in 121, but his .263 average was far from ideal for a guy who signed a four-year, $50 million deal. This year Sexson has declined, even in power numbers. The first baseman was hitting only .218 with 16 home runs and 59 RBI at the All-Star break, but even worse, he has not shown the kind of leadership that makes people believe he can carry this team on his shoulders. Sexson led the American League with 167 strikeouts last year, and with 92 at the break in 2006, he's on pace to set a personal high in that department.
    4. Jaret Wright, RHP, Yankees

    Like Pavano, Wright signed with New York before the 2005 campaign. Despite having just one solid year (15-8, 3.28 ERA in 2004 with Atlanta) and a long history of injuries, the Yankees decided to ink the right-hander to a three-year, $21 million deal. In 2005, Wright went 5-5 with an ERA of 6.08, and the first half of this season he was 5-5, 4.23.


    Weaver
    5. Jeff Weaver, RHP, Angels/Cardinals

    Although many might have missed it, Weaver has been one of the most overvalued pitchers in baseball in the last five years, during which he has made $31.5 million. The right-hander, who was released by the Angels after going 3-10 with an ERA of 6.29, is making $8.3 million this year. Now in St. Louis, Weaver has averaged 12 wins since 2002, but went 10-19 in his last two American League seasons with the Yankees and Angels, while compiling a record of 27-24 with the Dodgers in the National League between those stints. He has a lifetime mark of 81-97, and only once (14-11 in 2005) has he been an over-.500 pitcher.
    6. Sidney Ponson, RHP, Cardinals/Yankees

    The right-hander won 25 games with the Orioles in 2002 and 2003, and was rewarded with a three-year contract for $22.5 million. In addition to shoulder problems, which forced him to forget about using his effective forkball and also affected his overall velocity, Ponson was involved in a series of off-field incidents that made him a general headache for the Baltimore organization. In the winter of 2005, Ponson was accused of punching a judge on a beach in his native Aruba, and then was stopped for drunk driving twice in the U.S. The Orioles terminated his contract, and Ponson signed with St. Louis, where he went 4-4 with an ERA of 5.24 before being released and then being signed by the Yankees. The right-hander will make $8.5 million this year, and the Yankees are banking on his turning things around.


    Guzman
    7. Cristian Guzman, SS, Washington

    The Nationals signed Guzman to a four-year, $16.8 million deal before the team's move from Montreal to Washington. It couldn't have been a worse move so far for the Nats. Guzman hit .219 with 76 strikeouts in 140 games in 2005, and a shoulder operation shelved him for the entire 2006 season.
    8. Jeromy Burnitz, OF, Pittsburgh

    His 37 homers and 110 RBI with Colorado in 2004 were the launching pad for Burnitz to make big money. This year, making $6.6 million, he's hitting just .228 with 12 home runs and 37 RBI with the Pirates. Last year he hit .258 and had 24 HR with the Cubs, who paid him $5 million. Pittsburgh has an option for $6 million in 2007, and would have to pay him $700,000 if the team declines.


    Looper
    9. Braden Looper, RHP, St. Louis

    Closing for the Mets in 2005, Looper blew eight save opportunities and had a 3.94 ERA. But the Cardinals gave him a three-year, $13.5 million deal anyway. Looper, with a 3.96 ERA, has given up 40 hits in 38 innings, and has not been any better as a setup man than he was as a closer.
    10. Esteban Loaiza, RHP, Oakland

    The right-hander pitched 200 innings and won 12 games for the surprising Nationals last year, and raised his free-agent value considerably in the process. Interestingly, the usually thrifty Athletics invested $21.3 million over three years to get Loaiza. In the first half of this year, Loaiza was 3-5 with a 6.43 ERA. And after missing all of May with a rib cage injury, Loaiza pitched two good games before being arrested for speeding and suspicion of drunk driving in Oakland.
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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    Speaking as a Reds and a Yankees fan, I feel at this point that Pavano was a worse deal than Milton. And that is, obviously, saying quite a bit.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    And we tried hard to get Pavano that offseason, but he turned us down.
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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    Of course, most people have condemned Milton solely on last year and last season should be roundly booed. But no one is giving Milton credit for the good pitching he is giving us this year. Overall, he has had more quality starts than not. He's been the gravy I predicted early in the season. Milton at ordinary is a plus juxtaposed with last season.

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    I am surprised that they didn't point with Adrian Beltre how he tore it up in the World Baseball Classic that added even more fuel to the fire of his quest in this upcoming season and all the preseason hype surrounding him.

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    Also of the 10 guys, do you notice that only 3 of them (Guzman, Burnitz, and Looper) come completely from the NL and then there are two others (Weaver and Ponson) that split times between the two leagues.

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    Of course, most people have condemned Milton solely on last year and last season should be roundly booed. But no one is giving Milton credit for the good pitching he is giving us this year. Overall, he has had more quality starts than not. He's been the gravy I predicted early in the season. Milton at ordinary is a plus juxtaposed with last season.
    Great post! It's Milton's fault DanO offered him a silly big contract? What, he wasn't supposed to take it? And as Redsmetz pointed out he's been pretty good this season. Of course there was nothing but crickets after his good outings. First time he struggles a bit....HA! See I told you he was horrible!

    My other thought is one that I've posted elsewhere. (begin sarcasim) I can't believe these trades didn't work out as planed (end sarcasim). Some here act as if it's cast in stone that our recient trade is doomed to failure because they are sure of the outcome. So some trades seem to make sense and don't work out. Other trades seem to not make sense and do work out. Funny that....it's almost like real life.
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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner
    Great post! It's Milton's fault DanO offered him a silly big contract? What, he wasn't supposed to take it? And as Redsmetz pointed out he's been pretty good this season. Of course there was nothing but crickets after his good outings. First time he struggles a bit....HA! See I told you he was horrible!

    This is a great point. To hear so many Reds fans still hammering Milton every chance they get is still most of the time based on last season, which is unfortunate. It does not get recognized much when he comes out and puts up a quality start, of which he's had 9 of this season. He's definitely an adequate 3rd or 4th starter and IMO a very important part of the puzzle this season. He's overpaid, there's no argument there, but you can't place the blame on him for that.

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz
    Of course, most people have condemned Milton solely on last year and last season should be roundly booed. But no one is giving Milton credit for the good pitching he is giving us this year.
    Have our expectations dropped so far that we should be applauding a guy for putting up a 5.19 ERA and giving up 1.7 HR/9IP? Or perhaps you are talking more about his recent performance? After all, in his last five starts Milton has an outstanding 7.40 ERA and has allowed 2.6 HR/9IP.

    Bravo, Eric.

    Bravo.
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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo
    He's definitely an adequate 3rd or 4th starter
    NL average starter ERA: 4.70
    Eric Milton's ERA: 5.19

    Since when does putting up an ERA a half-run worse than the average make a player an 'adequate 3rd or 4th starter'?

    Milton is a gas can. Granted, he's not as full of flammable liquid as he was in 2005, but he is still one heck of a fire-starter.

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHook
    NL average starter ERA: 4.70
    Eric Milton's ERA: 5.19

    Since when does putting up an ERA a half-run worse than the average make a player an 'adequate 3rd or 4th starter'?
    Looking at just one stat will not tell the whole story. Milton has 9 quality starts out of 14 games started. As good as Harang has been, he has 11, but has 6 more game starts than Milton. Now, before someone accuses me of comparing Milton to Harang, I'm not doing that. Just looking at the overall picture. IMO, a pitcher who can get me into the 6th inning or beyond with giving up only 3 runs or less at a 65% clip is doing a adequate job.

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    What surprises me most about that list is that the majority of people playing fantasy ball could have told them that most of the guys on that list were busts waiting to happen. Pavano and Beltre are the poster boys for one good year (after several disappointing years) getting a ridiculous contract based on projecting that one season into the future.

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    Braden Looper's 3.96 ERA isn't that bad
    Sexson hitting 39 hr's, 120 RBI's and hitting .260 is very good

    Whoever made this list just wanted to make a list.

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    Re: Milton not on the top 10 bust list

    In actuality Milton is pitching around his career average. He averages and ERA of around 5, he's giving up about 5 runs a game. He averages around double-digit wins, he's on pace for double-digit wins.


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