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    Hit or Error?

    Do you think Denorfia's two run RBI should be a hit or an error? Not to take away the pleasure from being the game hero, but look again as a non-biased fan and tell me what you think...

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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Barmes had to charge the ball because of Denorfia's speed allowing the ball to get by him. If he would have backed off and fielded it cleanly, I believe he would still have had an infield hit.
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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?

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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornon
    Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?
    I AGREE.
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    Error... but the circumstances defined this it. Bottom 9th, bases loaded and the batter hustling down to 1st base. You only need one out and the game is won. His thinking was ahead of his glove work on that play.
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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornon
    Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?
    That's what I say too.

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    Re: Hit or Error?

    I am sure the official scorer wanted to score that an error but he did not want to face the wrath of Chris Denorfia.
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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R
    I am sure the official scorer wanted to score that an error but he did not want to face the wrath of Chris Denorfia.
    I agree, and this is a problem in Major League Baseball. If Selig et al are truly as concerned with the sanctity of the game's written historical record, they will take steps to standardize official scoring around the league and assure autonomy of the scorers from the players.

    One idea would be to cut down the number of official scorers to 15 (plus alternates) and have them travel with the umpiring crews. Yes, this would cost more money in travel and salary headcount, but would be worth it. Further, if baseball ever elects to take on instant replay, this person could double in that capacity.

    I think that ball is an error. It's not fair to Brian Fuentes that he was charged with two earned runs.
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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili
    It's not fair to Brian Fuentes that he was charged with two earned runs.
    Considering he walked one guy and hit 2 others, I don't have alot of sympathy for Mr. Fuentes. He gave himself no margin of error. You'll lose alot of games if you tempt faith too much. That's the "law of averages" in baseball.

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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornon
    Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?
    That's what I'd say. If the bases were empty, it probably would've been just a hit. Even had he fielded it, it would've been tough. But the run scored because he didn't come up with the ball.
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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornon
    Single, E6 allowing the second run to score?
    I don't believe it can be ruled both a hit and an error because it was a single play. It's either one or the other, and in this case it was correctly ruled a hit because Denorfia would have beaten the throw even if Barmes fields it cleanly.
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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Nd2
    I don't believe it can be ruled both a hit and an error because it was a single play. It's either one or the other, and in this case it was correctly ruled a hit because Denorfia would have beaten the throw even if Barmes fields it cleanly.

    I believe you could rule it both, as a single if you think he would have beaten the throw would only allows runners to advance one base, and the error allows the runner from second to score.

    But I agree with Kitty and would call it an error.
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    Re: Hit or Error?

    a major league shortstop should have caught the ball. would he have thrown him out? that's another question.
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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Nd2
    I don't believe it can be ruled both a hit and an error because it was a single play. It's either one or the other, and in this case it was correctly ruled a hit because Denorfia would have beaten the throw even if Barmes fields it cleanly.
    Yep. That's the way I see it.

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    Re: Hit or Error?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Nd2
    I don't believe it can be ruled both a hit and an error because it was a single play. It's either one or the other, and in this case it was correctly ruled a hit because Denorfia would have beaten the throw even if Barmes fields it cleanly.
    Yes you can.

    You see guys lay down bunt all the time that get thrown away that they rule a single an error allowing the runner to move up a base.
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