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    Narron's Explanation

    "I just got burned a little bit with my heart there," Narron said. "Miltie has shown a lot of heart and we have a lot of guys that do. Tonight, I got burned by trying to repay it a little bit."

    "He did a good job getting Reyes out with second and third, one out," Narron said. "I thought he deserved a shot at it."

    And Milton, whose confidence the manager was trying to boost:

    "Obviously, that wasn't the right move," Milton said. "I didn't get the job done. Second-guess all you want."
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    Re: Narron's Explanation

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    "He did a good job getting Reyes out with second and third, one out," Narron said. "I thought he deserved a shot at it."
    Jerry, the shot was Lo Duca, HE WALKED HIM..that was the time to pull him.
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    Narron's loyalty to certain players is nice in a way, but he's got to realize that when you put guys in positions where they are likely to fail, you're not only hurting the team, but that particular player as well.

    Putting confidence Milton in that situation is just suicidal.

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    I actually respect that answer. It was honest. Doesn't mean it still wasn't a bad decision, but he gave an honest answer.

    I tend to jump on the "Narron is a fool" bandwagon lately, but one thing that stops me is our record since he's been the manager. Look at our winning percentage the five years or so before he got here and look at it since he's been here-- it's a pretty big improvement.

    I do think Narron manages the club well in the non-technical aspects. And I DO think that's important. I get the sense that the players like and respect him a lot more than his predecesors. I just wish he wasn't so bogged down in some of his old school philosophies.

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    Re: Narron's Explanation

    Milton knew he should have been pulled.
    Can we make Milton manager?

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    Last night we needed Captain Hook.

    We got Captain Crunch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edskin
    I actually respect that answer. It was honest. Doesn't mean it still wasn't a bad decision, but he gave an honest answer.

    I tend to jump on the "Narron is a fool" bandwagon lately, but one thing that stops me is our record since he's been the manager. Look at our winning percentage the five years or so before he got here and look at it since he's been here-- it's a pretty big improvement.

    I do think Narron manages the club well in the non-technical aspects. And I DO think that's important. I get the sense that the players like and respect him a lot more than his predecesors. I just wish he wasn't so bogged down in some of his old school philosophies.
    I also respect the answer. It's not often the folks step up and admit a mistake. Unfortunately there are those in the RedZone who believe every action Narron takes is a mistake, so when there is a genuine mistake it just confirms everything they believe any way.

    I'm not sure what the solution to last night was. How does a pitcher indicate that he's gassed or it's time for the pen. We've discussed this before viz. guys pitching hurt, wanting to tough it out. I think what Narron did was admirable, but clearly a mistake (certainly in retrospect at the very least) and one that shouldn't have been made in the heat of pennant race.

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    Last night is the first time I've railed on Narron.

    He probably was the only guy in America watching that game who didn't know Milton was done.

    I respect his honesty. The decision still stunk.
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    Re: Narron's Explanation

    If Narron had not gotten his contract extention would he have done something different? I don't know but I still think that mid-season extentions (for both players and managers) are a bad idea.

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    It's nice to hear Narron admit his mistake. Did he learn from it?
    That is the key. I frankly don't think so, because last night was part of a pattern of behavior, not an isolated incident.

    Narron has been reluctant to pull his starters, even those who should be on a short leash (Milton, Mays, Claussen). How many times have we seen them even hitting for themselves, with the team behind, only to get bombed.
    (Mays vs. Hafner comes to mind, Milton vs. Wright in NY...etc. etc)...

    Last night, down by 2, Garner pulls OSWALT for a PH, after only 5 innings and 79 pitches (and Oswalt isn't a terrible hitter). Still loses by 2...but he gave the team a chance to win it.
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    Re: Narron's Explanation

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    "I just got burned a little bit with my heart there," Narron said. "Miltie has shown a lot of heart and we have a lot of guys that do. Tonight, I got burned by trying to repay it a little bit."

    "He did a good job getting Reyes out with second and third, one out," Narron said. "I thought he deserved a shot at it."

    And Milton, whose confidence the manager was trying to boost:

    "Obviously, that wasn't the right move," Milton said. "I didn't get the job done. Second-guess all you want."
    Translation: I don't trust the young guy so I went with the scrappy veteran.
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    Re: Narron's Explanation

    I'll keep my Narron comments to myself. I need at least 24-hours to cool off from the stupidity I saw in the 7th inning last night before I comment. I mean... I've seen Little League managers with better decision-making skills than I saw in the top of the 7th last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper
    It's nice to hear Narron admit his mistake. Did he learn from it?
    That is the key. I frankly don't think so, because last night was part of a pattern of behavior, not an isolated incident.

    Narron has been reluctant to pull his starters, even those who should be on a short leash (Milton, Mays, Claussen). How many times have we seen them even hitting for themselves, with the team behind, only to get bombed.
    (Mays vs. Hafner comes to mind, Milton vs. Wright in NY...etc. etc)...

    Last night, down by 2, Garner pulls OSWALT for a PH, after only 5 innings and 79 pitches (and Oswalt isn't a terrible hitter). Still loses by 2...but he gave the team a chance to win it.
    I think this is clearly where the mistake was last night. I would hope that with the trades made, that Narron would be more apt to go to his bullpen. The shame is that if he'd have pulled Milton before the inning, Milton has yet another quality start (and as I understand it, he'd only give up a couple of hits up to then).

    This might be the reality of this rotation that we can count on six from the bottom of the staff and now we need to rely on the revamped reliever corps.

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    There's a school of thought which would have a manager leave a starter out there to build confidence.

    I think that's where Narron was coming from last night.

    But it's dependent on a good assesment of what the pitcher has left in the tank. It's destroying confidence if you leave him out there in a situation like last night when he's running on fumes. It's an unacceptable risk. You take him out there and get out of the inning with a reliever, and Milton's line is pretty good.
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    We'd have done well to pull Narron in the 6th.
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