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    Is Narron like every other manager concerning lineups?

    There's been a lot of criticism (as always) on Narron's lineups...especially with not going with the hot hitter.

    Is he just doing what every other Manager is doing these days? Trying to save guys for the end of the year and spread out the at-bats?

    Gone are the days where you stick 8 guys in the lineup and go with them everyday. But since those days are gone, wouldn't you think you'd want to go with the guys who are hot and ride them for as long as you can?
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    Re: Is Narron like every other manager concerning lineups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis
    There's been a lot of criticism (as always) on Narron's lineups...especially with not going with the hot hitter.

    Is he just doing what every other Manager is doing these days? Trying to save guys for the end of the year and spread out the at-bats?

    Gone are the days where you stick 8 guys in the lineup and go with them everyday. But since those days are gone, wouldn't you think you'd want to go with the guys who are hot and ride them for as long as you can?
    That would make sense. Probably why we saw both Aurilia and Edwin in the line up on Saturday. I just don't understand what is wrong with Edwin who has producing runs and when you have Milton take the mound you should automatically build a line-up that is going to produce you runs. I hope Ross's bat has stayed hot when he returns Wednesday or soon after. Personally I'd send this line-up out there as often as possible:

    Freel - RF
    Phillips - 2ND
    Dunn - LF
    Griffey - CF
    Encarnacion - 3B
    Hatteberg - 1ST
    Clayton - SS
    LaRue (Till Ross returns) - C

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    Re: Is Narron like every other manager concerning lineups?

    I think someone posted on here recently that the 'Great 8' only started sometihng like 80 games together over the BRM hey day.

    Not that it matters in this convo....

    Just saying.

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    Re: Is Narron like every other manager concerning lineups?

    Yeah, save the vets so they are fresh at the end of the year.

    Thats why JR is out there with no range in CF, day in and day out during a horrific slump while Freel and Denorfia platoon RF.

    Thats why RA plays daily and EE plays once a week if he wants to or not.

    Thats why Hatteberg and Phillips play everyday.

    Thats why we lose games when Narron tries to get that extra inning out of a dog like Milton.

    I know some are smitten with his slightly above .500 record but for me its as clear as his lineup cards, Q and Wise being the 1st PH off the bench, crazy late inning double switches and horrible use of what pitching resources he has. Narron isn't a good MLB manager, much like his record, he's mediocre at best.

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    Re: Is Narron like every other manager concerning lineups?

    The Giants are playing well right now.

    Is their manager doing the same thing as Narron?

    Here are the top 12 players in total at-bats for the Giants in July...do you think he's being criticized for not playing one of their hotter hitters more than Winn or someone else?

    Pedro Feliz.....................76AB's...(.263)(.305)(.5 53)
    Omar Visquel..................75AB's...(.293)(.354)(.38 7)
    Ray Durham....................66AB's...(.364)(.408)(.7 58)
    Randy Winn....................65AB's...(.231)(.292)(.323 )
    Eliezer Afonzo.................52AB's...(.327)(.333)(.558)
    Steve Finley...................49AB's...(.286)(.321)(.38 8)
    Moises Alou....................47AB's...(.277)(.358)(.489 )
    Barry Bonds....................44AB's...(.295)(.475)(.54 5)
    Lance Niekro...................31AB's...(.226)(.226)(.32 3)
    Mark Sweeney................30AB's...(.267)(.450)(.400)
    Todd Greene...................23AB's...(.261)(.292)(.30 4)
    Jose Viscaino..................14AB's...(.071)(.133)(.0 71)
    Rob Neyer: "Any writer who says he'd be a better manager than the worst manager is either 1) lying (i.e. 'using poetic license') or 2) patently delusional. Which isn't to say managers don't do stupid things that you or I wouldn't."

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    Re: Is Narron like every other manager concerning lineups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis
    The Giants are playing well right now.

    Is their manager doing the same thing as Narron?

    Here are the top 12 players in total at-bats for the Giants in July...do you think he's being criticized for not playing one of their hotter hitters more than Winn or someone else?

    Pedro Feliz.....................76AB's...(.263)(.305)(.5 53)
    Omar Visquel..................75AB's...(.293)(.354)(.38 7)
    Ray Durham....................66AB's...(.364)(.408)(.7 58)
    Randy Winn....................65AB's...(.231)(.292)(.323 )
    Eliezer Afonzo.................52AB's...(.327)(.333)(.558)
    Steve Finley...................49AB's...(.286)(.321)(.38 8)
    Moises Alou....................47AB's...(.277)(.358)(.489 )
    Barry Bonds....................44AB's...(.295)(.475)(.54 5)
    Lance Niekro...................31AB's...(.226)(.226)(.32 3)
    Mark Sweeney................30AB's...(.267)(.450)(.400)
    Todd Greene...................23AB's...(.261)(.292)(.30 4)
    Jose Viscaino..................14AB's...(.071)(.133)(.0 71)
    Great post. I would probably be up in arms over Winn getting time when he clearly isn't cutting it...but who else do they have?

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    Re: Is Narron like every other manager concerning lineups?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51
    Great post. I would probably be up in arms over Winn getting time when he clearly isn't cutting it...but who else do they have?
    It's true in their case that they are playing the people the most that are doing the best. It's not like Sweeney can play CF....adding Hillebrand will help them at first base, but with Alou getting hurt last night (don't know for how long), they're pretty thin in the OF. I think Sweeney can play RF.
    Rob Neyer: "Any writer who says he'd be a better manager than the worst manager is either 1) lying (i.e. 'using poetic license') or 2) patently delusional. Which isn't to say managers don't do stupid things that you or I wouldn't."

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    Re: Is Narron like every other manager concerning lineups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis
    The Giants are playing well right now.

    Is their manager doing the same thing as Narron?

    Here are the top 12 players in total at-bats for the Giants in July...do you think he's being criticized for not playing one of their hotter hitters more than Winn or someone else?

    Pedro Feliz.....................76AB's...(.263)(.305)(.5 53)
    Omar Visquel..................75AB's...(.293)(.354)(.38 7)
    Ray Durham....................66AB's...(.364)(.408)(.7 58)
    Randy Winn....................65AB's...(.231)(.292)(.323 )
    Eliezer Afonzo.................52AB's...(.327)(.333)(.558)
    Steve Finley...................49AB's...(.286)(.321)(.38 8)
    Moises Alou....................47AB's...(.277)(.358)(.489 )
    Barry Bonds....................44AB's...(.295)(.475)(.54 5)
    Lance Niekro...................31AB's...(.226)(.226)(.32 3)
    Mark Sweeney................30AB's...(.267)(.450)(.400)
    Todd Greene...................23AB's...(.261)(.292)(.30 4)
    Jose Viscaino..................14AB's...(.071)(.133)(.0 71)

    And for comparison, Jerry Narron by AB and OPS only for times sake:

    1. Dunn.......76 AB.....884 OPS
    2. Phillips.....72 AB....522 OPS
    3. Griffey.....69 AB.....605 OPS
    4. Aurilia......56 AB.....940 OPS
    5. Hatteberg.....52 AB.....1167 OPS
    6. Freel........50 AB.....1021 OPS
    7. La Rue.....40 AB.....873 OPS
    8. Castro.....27 AB.....963 OPS
    9 Clayton.....27 AB.....749 OPS
    10 EE..........23 AB.....1252 OPS


    Not sure what point you were making but if its something about playing the hot hand then its pretty obvious Phillips and JR need some time off.

    Freel and Aurillia can fill in for both and Freel and Aurilia are hotter right now. That would also let Encarnacion and his 1252 OPS see the field again.

    Castro and Clayton having more AB's and TPA's than EE for July is just sickening.

    I'm glad you brought this up, now I'm even more convinced Narron is completely clueless.

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    Re: Is Narron like every other manager concerning lineups?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph
    I think someone posted on here recently that the 'Great 8' only started sometihng like 80 games together over the BRM hey day.

    Not that it matters in this convo....

    Just saying.
    I remember that in 1975 (maybe 76?), the year the Reds won 108 games, the starting 8 played 49 games together, going 41-8.


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