Turn Off Ads?
Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Narron managing starters

  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Powell, Ohio
    Posts
    114

    Narron managing starters

    Tonight, I felt that Arroyo should have been pulled after the Biggio at bat. I know the pen has had some troubles this year, but Houston was all over Arroyo in that inning. then, he should've been pulled for sure when Berkman stepped in. I think that the odds would have been better if we brought in a lefty to turn Berkman around. Arroyo later gave up another homer to Berkman. It's the same thing happened against New York last week. Milton was left in with the bags full, and Carlos Beltran up. Beltran hit a grand salami. I think that Narron has had trouble this year seeing when the opposing hitters are figuring out his pitchers.


  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Aurora, Indiana
    Posts
    340

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg39
    Tonight, I felt that Arroyo should have been pulled after the Biggio at bat. I know the pen has had some troubles this year, but Houston was all over Arroyo in that inning. then, he should've been pulled for sure when Berkman stepped in. I think that the odds would have been better if we brought in a lefty to turn Berkman around. Arroyo later gave up another homer to Berkman. It's the same thing happened against New York last week. Milton was left in with the bags full, and Carlos Beltran up. Beltran hit a grand salami. I think that Narron has had trouble this year seeing when the opposing hitters are figuring out his pitchers.
    That he has, kind sir.

    How many times has he insisted on Weathers being in the game with a narrow lead, KNOWING that he gives up, on a usual basis, about a run an inning as of late? TOO many to name.

  4. #3
    REDSBROWNSBUCKEYES
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Dayton Ohio
    Posts
    771

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg39
    Tonight, I felt that Arroyo should have been pulled after the Biggio at bat. I know the pen has had some troubles this year, but Houston was all over Arroyo in that inning. then, he should've been pulled for sure when Berkman stepped in. I think that the odds would have been better if we brought in a lefty to turn Berkman around. Arroyo later gave up another homer to Berkman. It's the same thing happened against New York last week. Milton was left in with the bags full, and Carlos Beltran up. Beltran hit a grand salami. I think that Narron has had trouble this year seeing when the opposing hitters are figuring out his pitchers.
    If we would have brought someone in for him and Berkman hit a homerun, you would be saying why did he take him out he was pitching such a good game, either buy the team and hire your own manager, or let him do his job!

  5. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Aurora, Indiana
    Posts
    340

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by OLD RIGHTHANDER
    If we would have brought someone in for him and Berkman hit a homerun, you would be saying why did he take him out he was pitching such a good game, either buy the team and hire your own manager, or let him do his job!
    'Tis true! You are the man! If I had reputation abilites, I would definitely give you some!

  6. #5
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Powell, Ohio
    Posts
    114

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by OLD RIGHTHANDER
    If we would have brought someone in for him and Berkman hit a homerun, you would be saying why did he take him out he was pitching such a good game, either buy the team and hire your own manager, or let him do his job!
    Don't get me wrong, I like Narron. It wasn't just about Berkman's dinger. I wouldn't be saying that he should not have pulled Arroyo if a reliever gave up a dinger to Berkman. I just thought Bronson was losing some of his stuff.

  7. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Aurora, Indiana
    Posts
    340

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg39
    Don't get me wrong, I like Narron. It wasn't just about Berkman's dinger. I wouldn't be saying that he should not have pulled Arroyo if a reliever gave up a dinger to Berkman. I just thought Bronson was losing some of his stuff.
    I think he's talking about fans in 'General.' It does seem that no matter what this organization does, it will never appease certain fans, and no matter if we had Joe Torre or Tony La Russa as manager, there would STILL be disputed calls.

  8. #7
    Member jimbo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Troy, OH
    Posts
    2,754

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg39
    Don't get me wrong, I like Narron. It wasn't just about Berkman's dinger. I wouldn't be saying that he should not have pulled Arroyo if a reliever gave up a dinger to Berkman. I just thought Bronson was losing some of his stuff.
    I don't think he was losing his stuff so much, but more his command.

  9. #8
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Powell, Ohio
    Posts
    114

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo
    I don't think he was losing his stuff so much, but more his command.
    I agree with u 100%. He started leavin pitches up.

  10. #9
    REDSBROWNSBUCKEYES
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Dayton Ohio
    Posts
    771

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg39
    Don't get me wrong, I like Narron. It wasn't just about Berkman's dinger. I wouldn't be saying that he should not have pulled Arroyo if a reliever gave up a dinger to Berkman. I just thought Bronson was losing some of his stuff.
    Wasn't a shot at you, im just getting tired of reading all the second guessing posts. Think about it, within the last 2 days i've read complaints about Griffey, the lineup, Narron, The trade, mAYS(OK ILL LET THAT ONE SLIP) the gm, EE's playing time, pitching management, and im sure im missing a few. Feel free to add on if you can think of any more.

  11. #10
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Powell, Ohio
    Posts
    114

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by OLD RIGHTHANDER
    Wasn't a shot at you, im just getting tired of reading all the second guessing posts. Think about it, within the last 2 days i've read complaints about Griffey, the lineup, Narron, The trade, mAYS(OK ILL LET THAT ONE SLIP) the gm, EE's playing time, pitching management, and im sure im missing a few. Feel free to add on if you can think of any more.
    No, it's cool. I understand u completely. Can't think of any others at the moment, but yeah, there's more

  12. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    4,122

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by OLD RIGHTHANDER
    Wasn't a shot at you, im just getting tired of reading all the second guessing posts. Think about it, within the last 2 days i've read complaints about Griffey, the lineup, Narron, The trade, mAYS(OK ILL LET THAT ONE SLIP) the gm, EE's playing time, pitching management, and im sure im missing a few. Feel free to add on if you can think of any more.
    Message boards are the ultimate 2nd guessing machine. All the things you mention, I have probably 2nd guessed too.

    Griffey: Still batting 3rd and playing CF?
    Lineup: Royce 2nd? Dunn 6th? Aurilia 4th?
    Narron: No need to explain
    The trade: no argument
    Mays: no need to explain
    GM: Plenty O'discussion about O'Brien
    EdE: Hottest hitter on the team, rising superstar not getting time
    Pitching: See above, Coffey as closer or not, 5th starter...
    Adding: Freel playing more, 3-headed catchers and probably more.

    Either start your own message board or let it do it's job...second guess and discuss team issues!

  13. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    CHATTANOOGA, TN USA
    Posts
    463

    Re: Narron managing starters

    I can't bang at Narron for having a longer fuse with Harang and Arroyo..they've been horses this year and worked out of more situations than the pen has worked out of similar situations.

    So I would think it to be unfair to suggest Narron should have known to get Bronson last night given the history this year has shown us.

    But the other 3 starters, for pete's sake. After their 3rd time thru the lineups with a close game it is statistically ridiculous to leave them in there with any opportunity to lose the game. Narron deserves criticism for his recent handling of Milton especially and even Lizard/Mays starts in critical situations with a new and improved pen to work with.

  14. #13
    Redsmetz redsmetz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Winton Place
    Posts
    12,905

    Re: Narron managing starters

    I just mentioned on the Game thread that what we witnessed was one of those Bizarro innings that just unfolds and leaves you thinking "What the heck?". I mentioned too, as someone else did here, that Torre, Cox, LaRussa have all had such innings from pitchers. It happens, life goes on, let's get them today!

  15. #14
    Will post for food BuckeyeRedleg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Dublin, OH
    Posts
    5,512

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg39
    Tonight, I felt that Arroyo should have been pulled after the Biggio at bat. I know the pen has had some troubles this year, but Houston was all over Arroyo in that inning. then, he should've been pulled for sure when Berkman stepped in. I think that the odds would have been better if we brought in a lefty to turn Berkman around. Arroyo later gave up another homer to Berkman. It's the same thing happened against New York last week. Milton was left in with the bags full, and Carlos Beltran up. Beltran hit a grand salami. I think that Narron has had trouble this year seeing when the opposing hitters are figuring out his pitchers.
    Great first post!

    Welcome to the RedsZone, Redleg39.

  16. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Aurora, Indiana
    Posts
    340

    Re: Narron managing starters

    Quote Originally Posted by UK Reds Fan
    I can't bang at Narron for having a longer fuse with Harang and Arroyo..they've been horses this year and worked out of more situations than the pen has worked out of similar situations.

    So I would think it to be unfair to suggest Narron should have known to get Bronson last night given the history this year has shown us.

    But the other 3 starters, for pete's sake. After their 3rd time thru the lineups with a close game it is statistically ridiculous to leave them in there with any opportunity to lose the game. Narron deserves criticism for his recent handling of Milton especially and even Lizard/Mays starts in critical situations with a new and improved pen to work with.
    Seems like Elizardo has ONE bad inning a game (gives up 3-4 runs), then pitches flawlessly afterwards. The offnese just can't score when he's pitching. It's a shame, because he's actually pitched really good this year.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | Gallen5862 | Plus Plus | Powel Crosley | RedlegJake | The Operator