Nah.Originally Posted by doug flynn
Billy Wagner went through a "gas can" phase once or twice in his career. He came out of it okay.
Lidge will be fine.
Nah.Originally Posted by doug flynn
Billy Wagner went through a "gas can" phase once or twice in his career. He came out of it okay.
Lidge will be fine.
"I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful
Wagner had exactly on bad season, 2000, when he got injured. Other than that, his career high single season ERA is 2.85.Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
The Astros wish Billy Wagner was still their closer.
Think they'd trade Taylor Buchholz, Brandon Duckworth and Zeke Astacio for him?Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC
I'm not a system player. I am a system.
I'd be willing to pick up Lidge as a project (in fact, I'd love to buy low on him now).Originally Posted by M2
I agree with your main point, that the Astros are unlikely to get the impact bat they want for him at this point.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
Wonder if the Yanks would take a 25-RBI 40-single man like Clayton for Proctor?Originally Posted by Royals Fan
Why are the mediocre Astros involved in Miguel Tejada talks but the Reds, leading the WC, aren't? Houston annoys me thinking they are in this.
Maybe because the Astros have proven themselves to be far more resourceful and resilient than perennial also-rans like Cincinnati?Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan
And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject. Jamie Galbraith
The Angels probably have enough young talent in their system and on their roster to get both Tejada and Soriano. They trade away combinations of Aybar, Wood, Kendrick, McPherson, Kotchman, Gorneault, Murphy, Mathis, Napoli, Morales and perhaps a Kennedy or Figgins. They could get both and run away with the West.Originally Posted by Royals Fan
"I am your child from the future. I'm sorry I didn't tell you this earlier." - Dylan Easton
Mark Wholers says hi!Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
I understand that. It's still annoying. Why can't they just go away?Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
Myth.Originally Posted by smith288
Most of Wholers problems were physical, and went undetected. He sought a sports psychologist for help, but what he needed was a better diagnosis of his elbow. Physically he couldn't do it anymore. after surgery, he was better, but but not the pitcher he was.
Dubito Ergo Cogito Ergo Sum.
Mark Wohlers' pitches were hitting backstops, mascots, and batboys. Lidge is merely hitting the dirt around the plate.Originally Posted by smith288
And as TRF pointed out, Wohlers had an undiagnosed injury.
I guess it's possible that Lidge has one, too, but at his worst he's still way better than the struggling Wohlers was.
"I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful
Here's an interesting thought. I know the Astros wouldn't do it, but is there anyone here who wouldn't trade Majewski for Lidge right now?
I'm sure there's some people who wouldn't, but consider the price we paid for Majewski and what his ceiling was. While Lidge is also struggling, his ceiling is a lot higher. The guy has dominated in the past.
A Kearns for Lidge trade (instead of Majewski) would've been pretty intriguing. Sure, it gives the Astros a bat, but it would've given us a potential closer. We could've still done Lopez for Bray.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.
We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective ~ Kurt Vonnegut
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