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    Trading EdE?

    Sorry, I know there is an influx of threads on this guy already.

    Now, I'm as big of a fan of EdE as the next Reds fan and would love to keep him around, but sitting on the bench as much as he has been, he's not really helping the team. Clearly, Jerry's mancrush on Richie and his love for Rich's scrappiness isn't going away anytime soon. I'm sure he'll get an extension before the year is over (maybe 4 years). Although Castro has seen less playing time, I'm sure a Castro/Aurilia platoon at 3rd would make Jerry salivate.

    So, why not trade EdE? Surely, he would fetch a decent starting pitcher. By the time he gets the everyday starts he should, his pysche may be damaged pretty badly. He should be a Red and he should be playing and he should be imrpoving, but he's not.

    So, why not at least get something for him?

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    Re: Trading EdE?

    Narron's mismanagement of the roster is not a sufficient reason to trade a promising young third baseman. No.

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    Re: Trading EdE?

    I'm not sure what EE would bring at this time...I think at some point down the line EE will get his chance but he'll keep his chance when he outperforms his competition on the team.

    I like EE but he is young and I don't think you give him the spot simply becauses he is young and a GOOD PROSPECT...we already went through that once at 3B a couple years back.
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    Re: Trading EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan
    I'm not sure what EE would bring at this time...I think at some point down the line EE will get his chance but he'll keep his chance when he outperforms his competition on the team.

    I like EE but he is young and I don't think you give him the spot simply becauses he is young and a GOOD PROSPECT...we already went through that once at 3B a couple years back.
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    Re: Trading EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan
    I like EE but he is young and I don't think you give him the spot simply becauses he is young and a GOOD PROSPECT...we already went through that once at 3B a couple years back.
    I don't think you should give him the spot because he's a young prospect, he earned the job in spring training and his play certainly hasn't merited him being relegated to a reserve role. Aurilia has done a nice job this season but the fact EdE is losing playing time to him makes me ill.

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    Re: Trading EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan
    I'm not sure what EE would bring at this time...I think at some point down the line EE will get his chance but he'll keep his chance when he outperforms his competition on the team.

    I like EE but he is young and I don't think you give him the spot simply becauses he is young and a GOOD PROSPECT...we already went through that once at 3B a couple years back.
    He's already outperforming his competition on this team. He's also shown the ability to hit both righthanders and lefthanders, which Aurilia cannot.

    I'm holding out for a trade of RA for Kyle Lohse.

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    Re: Trading EdE?

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    He's already outperforming his competition on this team. He's also shown the ability to hit both righthanders and lefthanders, which Aurilia cannot.

    I'm holding out for a trade of RA for Kyle Lohse.
    Hmmmm? Well, there are two sides of a coin...how many errors does the guy have at 3b? 15 Rich has 4 in just about half as much playing time there over the season while putting up comparable numbers at the plate.

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    YEAR G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
    2006 62 212 33 62 21 1 7 42 106 23 41 0 1 .384 .500 .292

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    2006 72 256 42 73 17 1 13 38 131 23 31 1 0 .343 .512 .285
    "Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."

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    Re: Trading EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan
    Hmmmm? Well, there are two sides of a coin...how many errors does the guy have at 3b? 15 Rich has 4 in just about half as much playing time there over the season while putting up comparable numbers at the plate.

    EE

    YEAR G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
    2006 62 212 33 62 21 1 7 42 106 23 41 0 1 .384 .500 .292

    RA
    2006 72 256 42 73 17 1 13 38 131 23 31 1 0 .343 .512 .285
    A great majority of RA's numbers have come vs LHPs. Take a look at his splits. He shouldn't be in the lineup vs righties, let alone being cemented in the 4 hole.

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    Re: Trading EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan
    Hmmmm? Well, there are two sides of a coin...how many errors does the guy have at 3b? 15 Rich has 4 in just about half as much playing time there over the season while putting up comparable numbers at the plate.

    EE

    YEAR G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
    2006 62 212 33 62 21 1 7 42 106 23 41 0 1 .384 .500 .292

    RA
    2006 72 256 42 73 17 1 13 38 131 23 31 1 0 .343 .512 .285
    And that is the key. Comparable overall offensive production, but better defense from RA, when one compares Fielding %, RF, and ZR.

    Edge - Aurilia.

    This management (and especially Narron) had to make a choice....

    They know that EE is young and showing that inexperience on the field from a defensive perspective, and at a very important position (3B).

    And Krivsky/Narron also realize that EE isn't going to get better not playing. But he IS out there every day working hard, taking grounders, and working with the coaches to improve his game. And he is getting the occassional start THIS YEAR. And that is what is needed IMO.

    So Narron can throw him out there, endure the mental defensive lapses/errors while they hope he grows/improves (that is not a given by the way). Or.... they can, for the present and while they are in a race/contention this year go with a guy who has performed admirably on both sides (offensively AND defensively).

    People can laugh and mock "veteran presence" all they want; but there are advantages to it when compared to "rookie immaturity".

    One gives you a track record of some consistency to go on (to gauge expectation)... the other does not.

    All one can say is that he has a possible "upside" (i.e. potential).

    As far as suggesting trading EE simply because he has not been playing? That is a ridiculous notion, and management, IMO, is not even considering it.
    Last edited by GAC; 07-28-2006 at 08:15 AM.
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    Re: Trading EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC
    And that is the key. Comparable overall offensive production, but better defense from RA, when one compares Fielding %, RF, and ZR.
    The problem is that against right handers, which is when EdE sits, their offensive production is not comparable at all (.650 OPS versus .850 OPS).

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    Re: Trading EdE?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC
    And that is the key. Comparable overall offensive production, but better defense from RA, when one compares Fielding %, RF, and ZR.

    Edge - Aurilia.

    This management (and especially Narron) had to make a choice....

    They know that EE is young and showing that inexperience on the field from a defensive perspective, and at a very important position (3B).

    And Krivsky/Narron also realize that EE isn't going to get better not playing. But he IS out there every day working hard, taking grounders, and working with the coaches to improve his game. And he is getting the occassional start THIS YEAR. And that is what is needed IMO.

    So Narron can throw him out there, endure the mental defensive lapses/errors while they hope he grows/improves (that is not a given by the way). Or.... they can, for the present and while they are in a race/contention this year go with a guy who has performed admirably on both sides (offensively AND defensively).

    People can laugh and mock "veteran presence" all they want; but there are advantages to it when compared to "rookie immaturity".

    One gives you a track record of some consistency to go on (to gauge expectation)... the other does not.

    All one can say is that he has a possible "upside" (i.e. potential).

    As far as suggesting trading EE simply because he has not been playing? That is a ridiculous notion, and management, IMO, is not even considering it.
    So would the same argument hold true if we were talking about Ross and Larue? (the points in bold inserting a comparison between Larue and Ross vs. RA and EE). Just curious why Larue or the other Valetin would get to scoop up much of Ross's playing time under your assertions.
    Last edited by Spring~Fields; 07-28-2006 at 03:26 PM.

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    Re: Trading EdE?

    Rich is going to be 35 no way we trade EE. Rich might get an extension or get traded at the deadline.

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    Re: Trading EdE?

    EE isnt going anywhere.
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    Re: Trading EdE?

    When Rich leaves the Reds or retires in a few years, then who would be the 3B? Hopefully we have someone at the healm then who will recognize this, but I truly believe that the Reds FO still believes that Edwin is the 3B of the future!

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    Re: Trading EdE?

    They should send him to Louisville.Really. He's not going to play consistently up here and that can only hurt him. Leave him down there until he's 26 or 27. You know,just when he's ready to peak. Plus,by then he'll have that musty smell of veteran stank.
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