Ah...I have no idea what you are referring to. That game did not exist in my mind. Never happened.Originally Posted by dabvu2498
Ah...I have no idea what you are referring to. That game did not exist in my mind. Never happened.
I feel your pain. I love watching the highlight shows of the '92 Duke game and turning it off the second Woods' shot goes in. I've almost convinved myself it really ended that way.Ah...I have no idea what you are referring to. That game did not exist in my mind. Never happened.
When all is said and done more is said than done.
I don't know what to say. I don't really care if you believe me. It's the absolute truth. Did I say I hate UK basketball? I said that I don't like UK basetball. Honestly I don't really like baseketball at all anymore. If you will read my post again, I said that most people don't like Tubby because he replaced Pitino and the rest don't like him because he is black. If you don't believe that, then I really don't care. Why would I lie about it? I have heard many, many people say that they don't like Tubby Smith and it usually starts with those two reasons.
To refresh your memory, here is what I said:
I've lived here my entire life and I used to love UK and all that when I was a kid. I then grew up and decided that I didn't like UK or, pretty much, basketball in general. I'll watch a game here and there and check in on the NBA sometimes, but I really don't care much about the sport. I really loved watching the Bulls when I was coming up, but then Jordan retired and it just didn't feel the same.9 out of 10 people that live around here are UK fans and I would say that more people than not do not like him because he replaced Pitino and the rest is because he is black.
I love baseball and the Reds. I love football and the Titans. How you would question where I live because I don't like a basketball team is beyond me.
If you have a personal problem with me, please PM me and we can discuss it. Questioning who I am and where I am from is crossing the line IMO.
I'm done.
Last edited by Jpup; 08-01-2006 at 06:10 AM.
"My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton
Hate to break it to you, but I am originally from the country in Northeastern Kentucky and people there still follow the Baron like it is the Gospel.
JPup's percentage's are way off(I would say 1 in 10 do not like Tubby because of race), but get away from Lexington and into the more rural area's, and you would be surprised.
I wasn't old enough to remember Kentucky basketball during the Eddie Sutton era and when they were on probation, but this is the worst that I have ever seen the program. The worst part is, the administration wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend like nothing is wrong. Javy did a marvelous job of detailing why Tubby Smith has failed at UK, but try saying that on a UK message board, and you will be accosted as a racist or trying to hinder UK from getting a top notch recruit(since recruits do read message boards).
What I believe will ultimately be the dagger in the heart of this program(if it hasn't already) is recruiting. The simple fact of the matter is, every once in a while, it doesn't hurt to produce players at the high school level. Kentucky has not had that much success. In fact, since 2002, the best recruits to come out ranked nationally(4 stars out of 5) have been Brandon Stockton and Jared Carter, both of whom have either rode or will likely ride the bench at Kentucky for the rest of their careers. 2008 could be interesting, with Scotty Hopson(UHA) and Darius Miller(Mason County) both being four star recruits.
Am I saying we need to recruit all in-state? Absolutely not, but we need to start somewhere, plus we don't have the talent here in Kentucky. Tubby had one of the brightest recruits in state history playing in Ashland in the 7th grade. In fact, many have compared this kid to LeBron James and Oscar Robertson, among others. Tubby and Reggie Hansen can claim to at least say that they have seen him watch a game, but they were really checking out Ravi Moss from University Heights. Now don't get me wrong, Ravi was a great player at UK, but he is nowhere on the talent level as OJ Mayo. At least Bob Huggins had the right idea, even though he failed.
We had a player(possibly two in Bill Walker) playing in our own back yard, and we hardly made a run at him. Sad thing is, Indiana has had a sickening level of talent come out of their state, and they let the Dukes, North Carolina's, and Ohio St's come and take them away. You want to say that Mike Davis was run out of IU because of his ethnicity? Try his inability to field a team from within. I ultimately believe that Tubby Smith will go down the same road as Mike Davis, and it will happen this season.
Kentucky basketball reminds me right now of the preacher leaving the church. 25% of the people leave with the preacher and another 25% leave because they don't like the new preacher. If Tubby leaves, the church could very well split.
Sorry for the rambling, but i've had this on me for a while.
No need to apologize, great post, WVRed. I'm right with you on everything. As passionate as the state is for basketball, it has certainly had a downward trend in terms of producing top notch prospects. But the state hasn't been COMPLETELY devoid, and Tubby has been whiffing for a while on the ones that have come out. Even beyond Mayo and Walker starting off in Ashland, you've had several Mr. Basketballs consecutively taking offers from other schools, most notably recently Chris Lofton to Tennessee (a shooting guard that can actually SHOOT?! How about that, a huge UK need over the years), plus to a lesser extent Ross Neltner to LSU and the kid that committed to Cincinnati (sorry, name escapes me at the moment).
Has anyone noticed these lesser recruits that Tubby has habitually been recruiting late in the game, that are being pimped incessantly by the blue-colored glasses-wearing fans, aren't even that good? This kid Nash that came up recently falls in that category..... and the thing is even these kids aren't committing to Kentucky. UK's competition for some of these guys are schools like Baylor, Clemson, and schools not even in major conferences like at least they are, and UK still isn't landing them. And still there are some people delusional to think nothing is wrong with the recruiting. And that MESSAGE BOARDS are messing up our recruiting.... but no one else's.
I agree, WVRed, I think this year is it. I don't mean to be one to spread gossip, but word I've heard through the grapevine from some influential people in Lexington is the majority of the money people wanted him gone this offseason but it didn't come to pass because President Todd believed in giving him one more shot to right the ship, or at least leave on better terms than a 13-loss season. Regardless of the outcome of this next season, unless a Final Four berth perhaps, this could very well be the end of the line for Tubby.
Hmmm... I could care less about the neg, but if you expect me to to allow someone to come into an innocent thread and impugn the University of Kentucky in any way, shape or form without some solid, backed up, form of substantiation, you are kidding yourself; in fact, you are seriously deluding yourself.
Please, please, please, please, PLEASE, calm down.
I'm sorry if you don't like to admit it, but anyone who has grown up within the state of KY who is not a rabid UK BBall fan is considered suspect within the general University of Kentucky fan base.
Last edited by WMR; 08-05-2006 at 02:26 PM.
There are Louisville fans you know.
LOL WVRed, you didn't know? Louisville fans aren't actually Kentuckians.
I beg to differ.LOL WVRed, you didn't know? Louisville fans aren't actually Kentuckians.
I've tried to hold my tongue in this thread, but I can no more.
I've lived my entire life in this state, and I'm about as Kentuckian as it gets, having grown up in a small river town of about 1,400 people. I am a L'ville fan because my father is — probably just like you with UK. I didn't always dislike UK, but the provincial and dismissive attitudes displayed by some UK fans, as well as the outcry I heard back in the Sutton era when he dared play five black players on the floor at the same time, turned me against UK forever. I have heard many, many racist things out of the mouths of UK fans over the years — amazing what white folks will say when there are no black folks around. Referring to UofL as "The Blackbirds" comes readily to mind as a common example.
Most UK fans I have no problems with; most of my best friends are UK fans. It's the vocal minority that has turned me off. And spare me the "other schools have some racists in their fan base" line I hear all the time. Sure, those schools do have bad fans that make the rest of their fan base look bad. But I don't live in that state.
The knack to flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
Yep, you're a Louisville fan alright.
"the outcry you heard BACK IN THE SUTTON ERA"
Hmm... when exactly WAS the "SUTTON ERA" again?
How racist was the majority of the south during those years?
PLEASE. Crap.
You tell me a UK fan who has called Louisville "the blackbirds" in the last 15 years.
I know A LOT of UK fans. The type of fans that you are describing are in the smallest of the small minority from my experiences in MY lifetime. (in other words, RECENT UK HISTORY) AND I KNOW UK FANS WHO ARE NOT AFRAID TO SAY HOW THEY TRULY FEEL
Out of curiosity, are you from Kentucky? Its one thing to know a LOT of UK fans, but unless you know fans inside the state, its an entirely different situation.
Thanks for making my point for me.
If you would've paid attention to my statement, you would've noticed that I said that outcry — heard frequently on Cawood's call-in show — is what turned me away from UK. But if you want more recent examples, I could probably take you to my hometown and introduce you to people who switched over to being UofL fans because they couldn't fathom the idea of a black man coaching at UK.
I do too, and I know more than a few who can't stand the idea of Tubby coaching UK because he's black, and will say so loudly. My experiences of living in many small towns throughout this wonderful state tells me that the number of fans I am describing is not nearly as small as you lead on.
Where are you from?
The knack to flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
In my work, I have visited every corner of this Commonwealth many times over. I have met and spoken with people from towns of all sizes. So, please don't attempt to imply that racists living in Kentucky are that way simply because of their town sizes.
Kentucky happens to be comprised of hundreds of rural counties and about 5-8 counties that fit the category of urban. But that does not explain away the behavior and philosophies of the people you are describing.
The people to whom you are referring are not they way they are because they just so happen to live in small towns. They are that way because they are small minded bigots who were most likely raised by bigots who held the same ridiculous beliefs.
Unfortunately, these beliefs exist all over the country--regardless of the demographic makeup of the community.
"It takes a village.......to raise a village idiot."
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