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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed
    I have tried to give Tubby the benefit of the doubt and hope that he can turn things around, but now its possible that it may never happen.

    Dante Jackson, who we were in the lead for earlier in the year, is likely to announce his commitment to Xavier or Dayton. Patrick Patterson, one of the top power forward recruits who is rising up the boards fairly quickly and had been basically a hometown lock(from Huntington), is now expected to commit to Florida given the myspace incident.

    And its not just these. The class of 2007 was supposed to be one of the deepest classes in recent memory, and as of right now, we have absolutely nothing to show for it. Right now, we are following the same path as Indiana, and ironically enough, Tubby Smith is following the same path as Mike Davis.

    I've tried to look at this and say Tubby will turn it around, but no more. If there is no improvement at the end of this season, Tubby Smith needs to resign for the good of the program.
    Dante Jackson isn't as good as you think he is, I've seen him play multiple times at AAU events, he won't even be a starting guard at Xavier for 2 years at least. Jackson wanted to stay in Ohio as well.

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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed
    Ok, we all know about the shot heard round the world.

    1998-Coach K calls his final timeout with five minutes left to go in the game. Kentucky comes from 17 points down with 12 minutes to go to win 86-84.

    Duke also lost to Kentucky in 1978 for the National Championship.

    Also, in 2001, Duke beat Kentucky 95-92 in an overtime thriller. Jason Williams scored 38 points and also lost to Duke again in the Jimmy V Classic in 1998 after beating them in the national championship nine months prior.

    Maybe this isnt a rivalry on the scale as Duke-UNC like ESPN would lead you to believe, but when these two get together, there is some serious venom from both teams.
    You beat me to it, WVRed....

    ESPN would have you believe that UNC is the only team that is capable of calling itself a 'rival' to Duke. Whenever UK and Duke have played over the years--the stakes have always seemed to be larger than normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blimpie
    You beat me to it, WVRed....

    ESPN would have you believe that UNC is the only team that is capable of calling itself a 'rival' to Duke. Whenever UK and Duke have played over the years--the stakes have always seemed to be larger than normal.
    Exactly.

    Just because two teams don't play every year doesn't mean its not a rivalry.
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    I have always liked UK B ball but there will soon be a new powerhouse, The Ohio State University. Great coach, great recruits and the best alumni and followers in the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lo ryder
    I have always liked UK B ball but there will soon be a new powerhouse, The Ohio State University. Great coach, great recruits and the best alumni and followers in the nation.
    Until Oden goes pro(which will be one or two years after he arrives).
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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Is anybody else but me really, really, really tired of the recent emphasis of "The" prior to naming one's favorite team?



    It has gotten so bad that I have to mute the player introductions when they occur on Monday Night Football.
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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Blimpie
    Is anybody else but me really, really, really tired of the recent emphasis of "The" prior to naming one's favorite team?
    Ohio State people.
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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Blimpie
    You beat me to it, WVRed....

    ESPN would have you believe that UNC is the only team that is capable of calling itself a 'rival' to Duke. Whenever UK and Duke have played over the years--the stakes have always seemed to be larger than normal.
    On the subject of UK-Duke, there was supposedly an offer for a mini-series between the two I believe this past offseason (or it might have been perhaps the offseason between the 05-06 seasons), and it was nixed by Duke because --GET THIS-- Kentucky had the AUDACITY to expect one of the games to be at Rupp Arena!! Imagine that! But, yeah, it was nixed because Mike Krzyzewski refused to go to Rupp Arena. He wanted one game at the Cameron Indoor Bingo Hall, and one game on a neutral court. Kentucky politely declined this setup. Lute Olsen refused to acquiese to a two-game series with Duke also for the same reason, the Dookies didn't want to go to Arizona for a game.

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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Javy Pornstache
    On the subject of UK-Duke, there was supposedly an offer for a mini-series between the two I believe this past offseason (or it might have been perhaps the offseason between the 05-06 seasons), and it was nixed by Duke because --GET THIS-- Kentucky had the AUDACITY to expect one of the games to be at Rupp Arena!! Imagine that! But, yeah, it was nixed because Mike Krzyzewski refused to go to Rupp Arena. He wanted one game at the Cameron Indoor Bingo Hall, and one game on a neutral court. Kentucky politely declined this setup. Lute Olsen refused to acquiese to a two-game series with Duke also for the same reason, the Dookies didn't want to go to Arizona for a game.
    If you notice Duke doesn't play an away game out of conference unless it's in the state of North Carolina or NYC. I don't really understand their reasoning for not going to home courts except for the losing reasoning. Too afraid of that I suppose.
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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Blimpie
    You beat me to it, WVRed....

    ESPN would have you believe that UNC is the only team that is capable of calling itself a 'rival' to Duke. Whenever UK and Duke have played over the years--the stakes have always seemed to be larger than normal.
    Maryland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup
    Maryland.
    I agree that ESPN also began hyping that rivalry--but only recently. Only since the Juan Dixon era at Maryland have the Terrapins been consistently competitve with Duke. My contention is that the UK vs. Duke series has been competitive for several decades; however, it doesn't get the same run because UK doesn't play Duke three times per year (a la UNC and Maryland).

    Some of this information may be a little dated:

    Series History
    * This marks the 19th meeting between the rivals and the third in the last five seasons. Kentucky leads the series 11-7, but Duke has earned five of the last six wins. The Blue Devils were on a four-game series win streak when the Cats pulled the upset in the 1998 NCAA South Region Final.

    * The teams last met at the 1998 Jimmy V Classic with the Devils taking the 71-60 decision after a 22-point performance by Elton Brand. Duke holds a 6-5 advantage at neutral sites.

    * Five of the last seven games in the series have been decided by six points or less, three of which have been decided by two points or less and a fourth decided in overtime.

    * Duke and UK have met four times in the NCAA Tournament with each team winning twice.

    * Nine of the last 10 games in the series have occured at neutral sites, dating back to the Sugar Bowl turney in 1963. Overall, the teams have met at neutral sites 11 times with Duke holding a 6-5 edge.

    * The first game in the series was played on March 3, 1930, a 37-32 Duke win in the Southern Conference Tournament, a league where both teams once competed.

    * Coach Mike Krzyzewski is 3-1 against UK starting with an 80-55 victory in the Tip-Off Classic on Nov. 19, 1988.

    * Coach Tubby Smith is 1-1 against Duke after grabbing a win in the '98 NCAA South Region Championship before his Cats suffered a loss the next December in the Jimmy V Classic.

    Duke Series Information
    Series Record: UK leads 11-7
    In Lexington: UK leads 5-0
    In Durham: Series tied at 1
    At Neutral Sites: DU leads 6-5
    Last Game: Dec. 22, 1998 - DU 71, UK 60
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    Series Scores
    DU 37, UK 32 3-3-30
    UK 35, DU 30 2-28-31
    UK 37, DU 30 2-6-32
    UK 85, DU 69 12-21-53
    UK 81, DU 76 2-1-56
    DU 85, UK 84 12-18-56
    UK 78, DU 74 12-2-57
    UK 78, DU 64 12-8-58
    UK 81, DU 79 12-31-63
    UK 83, DU 79 3-18-66
    UK 98, DU 76 12-20-69
    UK 94, DU 88 3-27-78
    DU 80, UK 76* 11-17-79
    DU 55, UK 54 3-13-80
    DU 80, UK 55 11-19-88
    DU 104, UK 103* 3-28-92
    UK 86, DU 84 3-22-98
    DU 71, UK 60 12-22-98
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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed
    Exactly.

    Just because two teams don't play every year doesn't mean its not a rivalry.
    Perhaps, but shouldn't they play more often than once or twice a decade?

    The reason games between UK and Duke are tense affairs is because their rare meetings occur in March.

    It's not a rivalry not when one of the teams is extremely low on the concern scale with the opposing group of fans. UK fans need to worry about Florida. Duke fans sure don't care what you're doing. They have UNC, Maryland, NCSU, FlaSt, Wake, UVA, GaTech you know, their real rivals to worry about.

    UK fans' hangup with Duke, and that stupid game, is mostly to do with the fact that the SEC has been a one trick pony in hoops for its entire history. With no legitimate, consistent, conference rival, UK fans have felt it necessary to manufacture rivalries that the other team's fans don't even know about.
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    Perhaps, but shouldn't they play more often than once or twice a decade?

    The reason games between UK and Duke are tense affairs is because their rare meetings occur in March.

    It's not a rivalry not when one of the teams is extremely low on the concern scale with the opposing group of fans. UK fans need to worry about Florida. Duke fans sure don't care what you're doing. They have UNC, Maryland, NCSU, FlaSt, Wake, UVA, GaTech you know, their real rivals to worry about.

    UK fans' hangup with Duke, and that stupid game, is mostly to do with the fact that the SEC has been a one trick pony in hoops for its entire history. With no legitimate, consistent, conference rival, UK fans have felt it necessary to manufacture rivalries that the other team's fans don't even know about.
    Of the teams you just listed, only Maryland and UNC would constitute as "real" rivals for Duke. That is like saying that Vanderbilt, Georgia, Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi St are rivals to UK.

    But I guess by your logic Louisville and Indiana are not considered rivalries by UK either, since they dont play in the same conference. And yes, we have two "in-conference" rivals that we worry about. One is Florida, for obvious reasons, and the other is Tennessee.
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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed
    Of the teams you just listed, only Maryland and UNC would constitute as "real" rivals for Duke. That is like saying that Vanderbilt, Georgia, Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi St are rivals to UK.

    But I guess by your logic Louisville and Indiana are not considered rivalries by UK either, since they dont play in the same conference. And yes, we have two "in-conference" rivals that we worry about. One is Florida, for obvious reasons, and the other is Tennessee.
    Duke fans are unaware that nonconference rivalries can exist due to their lack of willingness to play home-and-home series with anyone... and playing weak non-conference schedules overall.
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    Re: THE Orlando "Tubby" Smith Thread

    Time to revisit this thread.

    I honestly thought that Rondo was the problem, and I still believe he played a role in last years team problems. However, Ramel Bradley is starting to wear on me. When teams start to make comebacks, he becomes selfish and goes one on one to win the game. Joe Crawford is another, but he should be the one taking these shots, not Bradley. I can understand losing to UCLA by five, but getting blown out by Memphis is inexcusable.

    I will say this, Tubby has borrowed some more time with this freshman class. Stevenson, Jasper, Porter, and Meeks have all been impressive, but he will have to ride this class if he wants to make it and give Bradley and possibly Crawford a seat.

    If we can get Patrick Patterson next season to go along with Stevenson, Morris(assuming he doesnt go pro), Jasper, and Meeks, I think we have a real shot at making some noise next season.
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