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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    in Kyle Lohse i see Paul Wilson's numbers:
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    Split	ERA	IP	K/BB	BB/9	K/9	H/9	HR/9	WHIP	BABIP	GB/FB	P/IP
    Lohse	4.88	908.1	1.94	2.86	5.56	10.16	1.27	1.45	303	0.92	16.33
    Wilson	4.86	941.2	1.84	3.21	5.92	9.83	1.20	1.45	299	0.99	16.08
    however, if Loshe ever had the makeup of Paul Wilson, he might pull himself into being something that's slightly better than useful.


    i like this trade soley based on Lohse being in the bullpen. i've read several times Zack Ward throws across his body and i worry about the possibility that he's a scalpular loading as well. that said, i wonder if Narron will do something along the lines of 'platooning' the 5th starter role as it were, between Claussen and Lohse..?
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    in Kyle Lohse i see Paul Wilson's numbers:
    Code:
    Split	ERA	IP	K/BB	BB/9	K/9	H/9	HR/9	WHIP	BABIP	GB/FB	P/IP
    Lohse	4.88	908.1	1.94	2.86	5.56	10.16	1.27	1.45	303	0.92	16.33
    Wilson	4.86	941.2	1.84	3.21	5.92	9.83	1.20	1.45	299	0.99	16.08
    however, if Loshe ever had the makeup of Paul Wilson, he might pull himself into being something that's slightly better than useful.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by M2
    Who needed sympathy? The Reds had a great season. On July 31st of that year Bowden snagged Juan Guzman and the door was open for the team to win its way into the playoffs.

    That it only got a single playoff game out of the run is something I've never regretted. It was still the last time you could look at the Reds and have the confidence that they should win on any given night, that they could go toe-to-toe with the best in the game.

    The possibility of limping into a wild card berth, while I'll take it and it's certainly preferrable to not making the playoffs, hardly fills me with the same level of excitement. Everyone loves a winner, but not so much with a not-loser.

    Thinking that you might not be as impotent as the competition just sets you up to lose out to the fellow who manages to find a Viagra in the seat cushions.

    I thought we were the ones who found the viagra in the seat cushions.

    You get to the playoffs, and you have a chance to win the whole damned thing. To quote Jim Carrey...

    (Cute RedHead Whose Name I do not Currently Recall) "More like one in a million."

    (Lloyd) "So you're telling me there's a chance. YEAH BABY!!!"

    Our chances of winning the WS are quite a bit greater than one in a million. Certainly we are far from being the odds-on horse, but something reeks of Fortunate Son from this team. Honestly, we've endured Hammond, White, Burns, yadda yadda yadda and we're still a couple of games up in the WC chase in August.

    We may make the playoffs. I think we will. Once there, we'll probably be 'dogs against the team we're playing. I'll take it. We've been 'dogs since training camp broke. NO ONE here thought this team would be playoff-bound. We're contending, and we have MGMT/Ownership that has gone out and made deal after deal (the quality of the deals is TBD) to help us get there. These guys want to win.

    I'll be honest...I was pleasantly surprised by the Cormier deal and was indifferent to picking up Lohse...the Lohse deal is much more palatable now that I know he's slated for the 'pen (initially, anyway). However, I had high hopes for today....maybe, just maybe we'd be in it for Zito/Willis/Another Big Starter. To a lesser extent, I wanted us to deal with the SS situation, add a LH bat, and get something of value for LaRue. None of those happened. Still, in the current NL Universe in which we occupy, we now have enough to take at least the WC. As a Reds fan in 2006, that is damned exciting to me.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Fullboat
    Why is everybody talking "Wilcard" when we are 3 1/2 games
    out from the division lead?The Cards are not that scary folks,we
    have 7 games to play and Pujol's might return to the DL.If the Reds are thinking wildcard they won't make it IMHO.
    Yup -- these upcoming games against the Cardinals are really key. The Reds have a real opportunity to jump them for the lead in the Central. I'd much rather win the division than be constantly scoreboard watching out west to see what happens with the Wild Card.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor
    Yup -- these upcoming games against the Cardinals are really key. The Reds have a real opportunity to jump them for the lead in the Central. I'd much rather win the division than be constantly scoreboard watching out west to see what happens with the Wild Card.
    And maybe in the sugar-rush of switching leagues, Lohse can actually perform against a couple of NL squads. But we all know what happens after the buzz wears off....

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    And maybe in the sugar-rush of switching leagues, Lohse can actually perform against a couple of NL squads. But we all know what happens after the buzz wears off....
    Your top two starters carry you through a short series to the NLCS?
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    looking at another ex-Twin, LaTroy Hawkins was a pretty bad starter with was what touted as a 'live arm', but couldn't get strikeouts and walked a lot of guys. he also had some make-up issues, IIRC. his first year in the bullpen at age 27 produced a 3.39 ERA in 87.2 IP, with 59 K's and 32 BB's.

    Kyle Lohse is an almost average starter (career) with what is touted as a 'live arm', but can't get strikeouts and walks guys.......
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord
    in Kyle Lohse i see Paul Wilson's numbers:
    Gah...it's worse then I thought
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    If the price for effectrive relief pitchers is rising, then the price the Reds paid to get Guardado, Bray, Majewski, Cormier and Lohse should work in the Reds favor when Guardado, and Lohse's contracts run out. What I mean is that the Reds should offer them a fair or low contract, and if the price is high and they reject it - the Reds should get some compensatory draft picks. The Twins built their farm system's depth through the passel of extrra draft picks they received over the last 5 years. I wonder if this is part of Krivsky's thinking.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Betterread
    If the price for effectrive relief pitchers is rising, then the price the Reds paid to get Guardado, Bray, Majewski, Cormier and Lohse should work in the Reds favor when Guardado, and Lohse's contracts run out. What I mean is that the Reds should offer them a fair or low contract, and if the price is high and they reject it - the Reds should get some compensatory draft picks. The Twins built their farm system's depth through the passel of extrra draft picks they received over the last 5 years. I wonder if this is part of Krivsky's thinking.
    You only get draft picks if you offer arbitation. You'd have to be crazy to offer arbitration to either of those guys, as you have to offer them no less than 80% of their existing salary. It might make sense to do that with Lohse (who's not a FA, just arbitation elidible), if he proves he's an effective starter (which is unlikely). Look for Lohse to be non-tendered next year, unless he agrees to a more reasonable deal( if at all).

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    I don't get the hate for this deal.

    As Ravenlord has pointed on a couple of times, for his career Lohse is a dead-on league average starter who chews up innings. While not sexy, those guys have value, especially for a team that has Eric Milton as their #3 starter. In exchange, the Reds gave up an A ball pitcher who has to be considered a longshot to even make the majors, much less put up league average numbers.

    Yes, Lohse has sucked something fierce in his first 45 innings this year, but that might work in the Reds favor. Lohse has been unlucky in the BABIP department and the combination of his reverting back to his career norms, being new to the NL, and getting better luck on balls in play could lead to a strong finish for the young man.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    While not sexy, those guys have value,
    These type of guys represent about 60% of the players in the league, you're right they are about as sexy as the back of my knee, but just as needed.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig
    Lohse ... if he proves he's an effective starter (which is unlikely).
    Huh?

    Lohse has 800+ career innings that say he is an effective league-average starter. I put a heck of a lot more stock in those 800+ innnings than I do in the 38 crappy innings he has hurled as a starter in 2006.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Cormier is basically meaningless. (at his current pace he would pitch 17-20IP with the Reds).

    I honestly think the Reds are going to end up having to lean on him. I am skeptical the Claussen is 100% after his getting lit up in his rehab starts. I think he will end up making 8-10 starts for the Reds.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHook
    Huh?

    ... he has hurled as a starter in 2006.
    I agree.


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