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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw
    Perhaps, but I think this is only his second year....he was drafted in 2003 out of college, if I remember correctly.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz
    I keep going back to what one Twins fan said about reminding people that Lohse is only 27 and has already one 50 games in the Majors. I've been trying to think of a comparable pitcher who has come to the Reds with a bit of a track record. I wonder if he can be like a Jack Billingham, who had been a bit lackluster with Houston prior to coming to us (career 32-32). I found this synopsis on a page about Worst Astros trades. Billingham was 29 when he came to Cincinnati.



    Now Lohse is 51-57 on his career thus far. He's coming off of two consecutive 9-13 seasons and was 2-5 thus far this season. Let's hope we can find a Jack Billingham type career with the Reds.

    Again, I don't know enough of the history and I can't say whether they're similar pitchers, but I'm just saying he is someone who hadn't lit up the world prior to coming to the Reds.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw
    Perhaps, but I think this is only his second year....he was drafted in 2003 out of college, if I remember correctly.
    2005 and the Reds shut him down before he pitched in the minors last year because he'd already carried a big workload during the college season.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHook
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lohseky01.shtml
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    2002 - 31 GS, 104 ERA+
    2003 - 33 GS, 100 ERA+
    2004 - 34 GS,  89 ERA+
    2005 - 30 GS, 105 ERA+
    Looks pretty average to me.
    His 2002/2003 campaigns were average. But in 2004 the wheels came off completely. And it's only gotten worse.

    Look at his WHIP and OPSA the last three seasons (including this one)--they are sickening.

    He may have some value out of the pen, but I'd rather trade someone like Kearns for Bray straight up than Ward for this garbage.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    His 2002/2003 campaigns were average. But in 2004 the wheels came off completely. And it's only gotten worse
    2005 - 30 GS, 5.9 IP/GS, 179 IP, 4.18 ERA, 105 ERA+

    Call me crazy, but those numbers don't look half bad to me. As far as I can tell, he recovered nicely from his subpar 2004 season. Obviously, he has had another relapse in 2006, but considering that those ugly numbers are the result of about 1/4 of a season of starts, I'm willing to bet he can bounce back to his career norms.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHook
    2005 - 30 GS, 5.9 IP/GS, 179 IP, 4.18 ERA, 105 ERA+

    Call me crazy, but those numbers don't look half bad to me. As far as I can tell, he recovered nicely from his subpar 2004 season. Obviously, he has had another relapse in 2006, but considering that those ugly numbers are the result of about 1/4 of a season of starts, I'm willing to bet he can bounce back to his career norms.
    And look at how few strikeouts he racks up and how many walks he hands out and how many hits he gives up. Then you realize that his ERA and ERA+ tell very little about his actual performance.

    I imagine Lohse's bacon was often saved ERA-wise by the Twins' strong bullpen.
    Last edited by Falls City Beer; 08-01-2006 at 05:43 PM.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    And look at how few strikeouts he racks up and how many walks he hands out and how many hits he gives up. Then you realize that his ERA and ERA+ tell very little about his actual performance.

    I imagine Lohse's bacon was often saved ERA-wise by the Twins' strong bullpen.
    ANd they have been pretty good defensively too.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    I think Ward might have been able to do what Lohse did tonight for the Reds.
    1 Inning, 4 Hits, 1 Run, 0 BB, 1 K

    Lohse also looked pretty wild.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by CTA513
    I think Ward might have been able to do what Lohse did tonight for the Reds.
    1 Inning, 4 Hits, 1 Run, 0 BB, 1 K

    Lohse also looked pretty wild.
    Ward Cleaver? He could have done that as well.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44
    Ward Cleaver? He could have done that as well.
    Luke Stowe probably could have also done the same thing.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Rather than starting a new thread, thought I would bump this original discussion.

    I didn't weigh in at the time because I was on vacation, but if I had weighed in, I would have been rolling my eyes at it. Thought it another terrible pick-up in the Mays mold of pickups. And boy was I ever wrong.

    No idea what his deal was in Minny (I do note the hit unluckiness people mentioned early in this thread), but the stuff he has brought to Cincy ( up to 94 mph fastball and a good change) is WAY beyond what I thought he had. at this point, his addition and the innings (really quality ones at that) that the team has gotten out of him have made the playoffs far more a possibilty than they would otherwise be. Simply stunning how good he has been to this point, particularly when you consider how much of a drowning team this has been at starting pitcher for the last month or so.

    At any rate, nice job to WK on that one, really remarkable what they have gotten from Lohse so far.
    Last edited by membengal; 08-21-2006 at 05:09 PM.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Lohse gets much props from me. He's managed to build upon the success he had after being sent down.

    I really hope he can sustain it. But it has a little of a Luke Hudson feel to it. Just a little mind you. but it's enough to be wary of.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    22-2 K/BB ratio very un-Lukish. Hope it holds up, but I doubt anyone can keep up that kind of ratio.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    I was thinking more along the lines that there was no book on Hudson. And for the most part in the NL, there isn't one on Lohse.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    I also rolled my eyes...

    With the ability to K players -there's value in that....it's a lot less oportunity for this defense to not field the ball, whereas a guy who K's less than 4 an inning is just a matter of time when coupled with the defense and the ball park.

    Lohse gives himself a chance.


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