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    Quote Originally Posted by Centralchamps05
    Marc's blog is now reporting the deal as done.
    Then this is a horrible trade. Lohse is a bad pitcher, no ifs ands or buts. I happen to like Ward, but still as a prospect so far away he could never make it to the show, but still a horrible trade. Trading for guys like Lohse means actually using him in games.

    Its Williams, Mays all over again, IMO. Lohse will have an ERA over 5 the rest of the year.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    This is horrible. I had seen Ward pitch several times at Dayton and he was a good young prospect. Lohse has been horrible this year. ERA over 7 with the Twins he was demoted to the minors and has been pitching in relief. Lohse is going to get hit hard here. I don't like giving up a promising prospect for another failed 5th starter.

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    BTW, Zach Ward is no better prospect than Jason Germano.

    A 22 year old having success in Low A vs a 23 year old having some success in AAA.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by NC Reds
    The bloom is way off the Krivsky rose.
    i can live with these little BS pickups so long as they don't cost the Reds much of anything. I just hope WayneK doesn't expect Lohse to be the rotation's savior.

    And this fascination with ex-Twins is getting tiresome.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Lohse....I guess he's better than Mays. Hell, I'm better than Mays.
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    I guess we will see, I view this trade no differently than Cormier. Giving up very little for a roll of the dice and I do not feel uncomfortable saying Lohse is likely to have as much or more success than Rheal Cormier.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    How many games has Ward had a hand in winning for the Reds this year? I'll take it. Better than Mays/Claussen/Williams.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis
    As a starter or a reliever, though? That is the question.
    exactly. He's a power righty arm who would complete this bullpen. But who comes out of the bullpen to start?

    as a starter, he's better than what we've got but if he couldn't get it done with Rick Anderson, then he's not going to get it done for Tom Hume.

    Need a lefty starter not a righty, but my guess is that he's too pricey for our pen, and that he's starting...

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds Fanatic
    I don't like giving up a promising prospect for another failed 5th starter.
    I don't know how promising Zach Ward was, though. Not saying whether he was or wasn't--I honestly don't know. I do know that BA didn't have him in the Reds Top 10 prospects list, but they did say he had the best slider in the Reds system.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Uggh. He adds nothing to the roster which wasn't already in AAA. He's not better than Mays. Look at both of their histories with the Twins. He's essentially a younger Joe Mays. Given, Zach Ward will likely never accomplish even what Lohse has, but I just don't see the sense in getting him. At least Ward has an outside chance of being a good major league starter.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    I see this trade no differently than dealing for Cormier. Give up a little(Ward is certainly no better a prospect than Germano) for a roll of the dice.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    Hate to give up Ward, but I'll trust Wayne's judgment.

    Two remaining questions:

    1. Which Reds pitcher is going, to make room? I'd guess Standridge or
    Shack.

    2. Will there be one more deal for a hitter?

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    I can't figure out why the Reds are wasting $3.85M (prorata) on Lohse when they have in-house options (Claussen, Gosling) that would be just as ineffective.
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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    If Lohse goes to the BP, then it is overkill since he has already gotten 4 arms for the BP.

    If he goes in the rotation, then that is just a sick joke he is playing on Reds fans everywhere.

    And if the FO actually thinks that the fans are going to be happy with this move, then they have another thing coming.

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    Re: Kyle Lohse is a Red

    If Lohse is going to be pitching out of the pen, then this move - along with the Cormier trade - may be a precursor to something else this afternoon. I don't know why he'd go into the rotation when Claussen (who was a completely different pitcher in the second half last season) is almost ready to return.
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