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    Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    They are the biggest winners at the deadline, because they "fixed their biggest defiencies" the pen. Basically they "overpaid a bit" but with so many flawed teams in the NL we addressed our only glaring weakness.
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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    I will reserve judgement until after the season. I like the trades but to call the Reds "winners" is more hype than anything.

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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo
    They are the biggest winners at the deadline, because they "fixed their biggest defiencies" the pen. Basically they "overpaid a bit" but with so many flawed teams in the NL we addressed our only glaring weakness.
    I beg to differ. The Reds had/have a lot more than one glaring weakness.
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    Cormier should help out the bullpen a little bit, or at least help out by cutting down our HR/9 rate. Whether Lohse is any better than what we already had remains to be seen. There's a good reason Twins fans wanted to get rid of the guy, and I'm not at all thrilled to now get to see why they wanted him gone.

    One thing I do know is that there's a glaring weakness at shortstop that can be fixed internally with what we've got on our roster, or could have been fixed externally by acquiring somebody.

    The latter didn't happen, and I'm betting the former doesn't happen, either.
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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    I would call them winners in the sense that they actually improved the bullpen (how much will be determined). The rest of the wild card contenders did little to nothing.

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    Interesting the mild about-face that Phillips is now doing - was he not part of the crowd claiming the Reds had killed their playoff chances with the Kearns/Lopez trade?

    could have sworn the rotation as well as SS were still glaring weaknesses?
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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792
    Cormier should help out the bullpen a little bit, or at least help out by cutting down our HR/9 rate. Whether Lohse is any better than what we already had remains to be seen. There's a good reason Twins fans wanted to get rid of the guy, and I'm not at all thrilled to now get to see why they wanted him gone.

    One thing I do know is that there's a glaring weakness at shortstop that can be fixed internally with what we've got on our roster, or could have been fixed externally by acquiring somebody.

    The latter didn't happen, and I'm betting the former doesn't happen, either.
    Would removing Clayton for Aurilia and putting Edwin at third really mean more runs though, or is that just something you want?

    I'm betting the latter. There's simply no way of knowing what could be. We know what we have, and what we have has worked to this point. No need to change it. Jeez, I know it's fun to play armchair manager, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    Fact is, the Reds addressed their biggest weakness, the bullpen. They're a better team now. Could they be better without Clayton? Possibly. I'll take the known, though.
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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    I think the Reds took a big step forward in helping their chances to make the playoffs with the trades today. What I think about the trades is irrelevant at this point in time. The NL is just bad overall and the Reds are a decent team with what now appears to be quite a good bullpen. If they can get even decent starting pitching (Arroyo, Harang, Ramirez) then they have a good shot at the playoffs.

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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11
    Would removing Clayton for Aurilia and putting Edwin at third really mean more runs though, or is that just something you want?

    I'm betting the latter. There's simply no way of knowing what could be. We know what we have, and what we have has worked to this point. No need to change it. Jeez, I know it's fun to play armchair manager, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    Fact is, the Reds addressed their biggest weakness, the bullpen. They're a better team now. Could they be better without Clayton? Possibly. I'll take the known, though.
    Getting Clayton out of the lineup for more productive hitting would be a massive asset to the offense. Replacing awful OBP/SLG marks with respectable offensive punch would lead to more run scoring. That'd be about as much of a known as anything.
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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792
    Getting Clayton out of the lineup for more productive hitting would be a massive asset to the offense. Replacing awful OBP/SLG marks with respectable offensive punch would lead to more run scoring. That'd be about as much of a known as anything.
    There is no way you could say that Ediwn's offensive numbers would be any better than Clayton's if he played everyday. He's never played everyday. That's the unknown. Not to mention Clayton at SS is a much better option than Aurilia, defensively speaking.
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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11
    There is no way you could say that Ediwn's offensive numbers would be any better than Clayton's if he played everyday. He's never played everyday. That's the unknown. Not to mention Clayton at SS is a much better option than Aurilia, defensively speaking.
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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11
    Would removing Clayton for Aurilia and putting Edwin at third really mean more runs though, or is that just something you want?

    I'm betting the latter. There's simply no way of knowing what could be. We know what we have, and what we have has worked to this point. No need to change it. Jeez, I know it's fun to play armchair manager, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    Fact is, the Reds addressed their biggest weakness, the bullpen. They're a better team now. Could they be better without Clayton? Possibly. I'll take the known, though.
    You know what else is known - the Reds are a slightly above average team right now that still has a few holes abound. Look, I'm all for applauding the team's success to this point and you won't hear the "Narron sucks" chants from me, but if members of this board simply "want" to see the best possible team fielded each night, then what's wrong with that? I don't know about the Rich vs. Edwin argument at this point b/c as much as I like EE's future, RA has done a nice job for us all season. I'm also not advocating RA be the starting SS due to his defensive limitations. That said, what is it about "Royce Clayton starting SS", from an offensive and defensive standpoint fits the description "fielding your best". Personally, I'd like to see Phillips be given the shot - I don't think the move is that far of a stretch for the guy. 2B would seemingly be a much easier slot to fill with either RA or RF.
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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11
    There is no way you could say that Ediwn's offensive numbers would be any better than Clayton's if he played everyday. He's never played everyday. That's the unknown. Not to mention Clayton at SS is a much better option than Aurilia, defensively speaking.
    Edwin played nearly every day the first half of the season before getting hurt. At that time I believe he was either 1st or 2nd on the team in RBI, he still leads the team in hitting with runners on and runners in scoring position, but you are probably right, I bet Clayton would outhit Edwin.....

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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11
    There is no way you could say that Ediwn's offensive numbers would be any better than Clayton's if he played everyday. He's never played everyday. That's the unknown. Not to mention Clayton at SS is a much better option than Aurilia, defensively speaking.
    Well I suppose you could just look at the numbers Edwin put up as an everyday player before his injury and that would eliminate this mysterious unknown that seems to be plaguing your mind.
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    Re: Phillips & Olney Agree on Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11
    There is no way you could say that Ediwn's offensive numbers would be any better than Clayton's if he played everyday. He's never played everyday. That's the unknown. Not to mention Clayton at SS is a much better option than Aurilia, defensively speaking.
    Edwin's offensive numbers would absolutely dwarf Clayton's; they wouldn't even be close. Secondly, removing Clayton from SS is not necessarily an endorsement for Aurilia to play SS, but it would be an endorsement for the guy who played over 100 games at SS last season to be moved there.
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