How does this in any way suggest he was framed? To me it suggests he took hormone supplements.
Uh, how does this suggest that he was framed? It says just the opposite.Tests show that some of the testosterone in Floyd Landis' system at the Tour de France was synthetic and not naturally produced by his body as he claimed, according to a newspaper report.
The French antidoping lab testing the American cyclist's samples determined that some of the hormone came from an external source, The New York Times reported on its Web site Monday night, citing a person at the International Cycling Union with knowledge of the result.
A confirmation of the result would undermine the defense that Landis has stood behind since he tested positive for an abnormally high ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone following the 17th stage of the Tour de France, where he staged a stirring comeback in the Alps to make up for a poor performance the day before.
Help stamp out, eliminate, and do away with redundancy.
The initial headline espn.com used made it look like a setup, but it was pretty deceptive.
when they say external testosteone they meant he injected it into himself not that they added external testosterone to his test resuslts
no framing here.
he cheated. just like Lance did. and others. duh.
Lance didn't test positive.Originally Posted by KalDanielsfan
OTOH, I don't care anything about watching dudes ride bikes, but that's just me.
"My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton
Amazing that Lance continues to get thrown into this mess even though he's not tested positive over the last 10 years while numerous others have. That, and he's got a huge target on his back because he's basically hated in Europe.
If Lance is guilty, then so is every cyclist.
Lance is to cycling as Bonds is to baseball.
Nothing "proven", no positives, no concrete evidence other than conjecture and observation, many people saying they did, yet we are as convinced of Bond's guilt as the Europeans are of Lances.
I'm not saying they are innocent or Guilty I'm just saying it's a similar iconic situation.
But in the leaked grand jury testimony did Bonds not admit to using the "clear" and the "cream" but claimed to not know what it was? He thought is was flax seed oil...
Not to take it off track on a Bonds discussion, My point is just that Lance is the Euorpean Cycling version of Bonds.
Lance's appearance didn't change, ala Bonds. From a skinny ballplayer to the Incredible Hulk. And baseball didn't test for years.Originally Posted by RedsFan75
Also, again: If Lance is a "doper" then how does he avoid detection when seemingly every major cyclist has not. This is random testing, all year around. Just lucky over the past 10 years? He has more enemies than allies, so how does he do it?
Agreed. I bet the number of European cycling enthusiasts who think Lance is clean is very nearly the same number of American baseball fans who think Bonds is clean.Originally Posted by RedsFan75
Please. The only thing they have in common is that neither have ever officially "failed" a drug test. I know a lot of people want to "believe" that Lance juiced, but short of a whole lot of baseless speculation there's no evidence that he did.Originally Posted by RedsFan75
Mr. Bonds, on the contrary, has significant evidence pointing to the fact that he did use--and use regularly. Unless you believe that Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams were just pulling evidence out of their rear.
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
...probably the same percentage who thought Jan Ullrich was juicing.Originally Posted by BuckWoody
And, he was.
We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.
A few years back, when I heard of these kinds of excuses about doping, I'd think there was something to them and give the athlete the benefit of the doubt.
But I've heard too many stonewallings in the face of overwhelming evidence. I think athletes just flat out lie through their teeth about steroids, HGH, et al and hope they can weasel out of the public eye just as fast as they can.
Not saying that Mr. Landis is guilty, but reasons like "I was framed", "I thought it was flax seed oil", "they rubbed testosterone cream on my legs" ring hollow these days.
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