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    Waiver Moves- Very Little

    I do believe we wont see manny moves with so many teams in the NL Wildcard race- alot claims will be made by GM'S to keep players from contending teams, i saw where Steve Phillps couple year ago claimed like 250 players to block other teams form getitng any help thur the waiver system. Big gamble but i understand his mind set and probaly would the same thing if i was the GM.

    Any trades will be for guys not on the 40 man roster- all players on the 40 man roster will be subject to any claims if sent thur waiver wire and alot teams will not put ther best players on it cause of wha could happneed.


    Trade deadline yesterday where all the action happends cause of the Waiver Wire in August snd September.

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    It depends. If Bob is willing to take on salary, maybe the Reds can claim a big contract that gets pushed through waviers.

    We're very lucky that Arizonia is not trying to make a run for the wildcard. Naturally, they aren't trying to lose, but they aren't getting any reinforcements. It seems like all we have to worry about is Atlanta and LA making moves or possibly blocking players that we want. Or maybe Houston/San Deigo.

    Of course, that is only in the NL. Any AL players waived have to go through the entire AL before the NL gets a shot at them, so I doubt we get any AL players.
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    Re: Waiver Moves- Very Little

    When an player moved in NLr- does he strictly go to NL first or both league that where I can see claims coming form Boston and New York and others?

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    Re: Waiver Moves- Very Little

    A couple of good articles with some intriguing names and some previous August deals.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...rry&id=2536024

    And then this Article which is different from the link. See if you pick the trend in this article.

    Updated: Aug. 1, 2006, 5:21 PM ET
    Walker-to-Cards had impact, but little elseBy Gary Gillette
    ESPN Insider


    The wailing and gnashing of teeth from Red Sox Nation could be heard around the planet at 4 p.m. ET Monday as Boston failed to make any trades before the 2006 deadline. ESPN.com's SportsNation trade-deadline chat lasted five hours and garnered more than 45,000 questions, yet it seemed as though every third post was from desperate BoSox fans wanting to know whether their team had made any trades -- then, after the deadline had passed, why their beloved Sox hadn't done anything to keep up with the hated Yankees.




    After going to St. Louis in an August deal, Larry Walker helped the Cardinals advance to the World Series in 2004.August, however, brings another opportunity for MLB's wheelers and dealers to make a move to improve their teams via the wonderful and sometimes wacky world of waiver deals. Aside from the possibility of a team's making a mistake because someone in the front office doesn't know the arcane waiver rules thoroughly, teams conspire to "trade" players via parallel waiver claims. The liquidity in this waiver-trade system depends partly on a long-standing gentleman's agreement between the various general managers -- an uneasy balance that can be upset if a bold GM decides to claim players on the waiver wire just to block competing teams from potentially making a deal.

    Although waiver deals have been pretty common in recent years, their impact has been minimal in most cases. Why? To start with, a majority of the most obvious deals already have been made by August; July's trading deadline sparks a frenzy that isn't replicated the month after. Also, the most complicated, multiteam deals -- like the Cubs-Twins-Expos-Red Sox deal that rearranged the starting shortstops for three teams and deported unhappy superstar Nomar Garciaparra out of Red Sox Nation -- can't be arranged via waivers. Finally, by late August, many of the mediocre teams that fancied themselves contenders at midseason -- and thus became buyers in the late July bazaar -- have fallen out of the race and are no longer in the market.

    An analysis of the waiver deals consummated in August in the past five seasons shows that a few very significant trades did occur. So, as Red Sox Nation exults in David Ortiz's latest walk-off home run even as fans bite their nails in anticipation of what the Yankees' deadline deals mean for the AL East race, its citizens can find some comfort as they wait hopefully for an August waiver deal that well help their heroes.


    2005
    A very sleepy year in waiver world. None had any lasting significance; most involved veteran spare parts such as Matt Lawton, Deivi Cruz, Todd Hollandsworth, Michael Tucker, Mike Remlinger and Jason Christiansen.

    2004
    It was a busy year for waiver deals, with 14 in August. Most were very minor, although the Dodgers acquired Elmer Dessens from Arizona for minor leaguer Jereme Milons, Houston picked up reliever Dan Wheeler from the Mets for minor leaguer Adam Seuss, and Philadelphia got Cory Lidle for pitching prospect Elizardo Ramirez and two other minor leaguers. Despite Lidle's going 5-2 with a 3.90 ERA in 10 starts, the underachieving Phillies finished six games behind the Astros in the wild-card race. Dessens pitched well in 12 games as L.A. slid by San Francisco by two games in the NL West.
    Wheeler pitched well in 14 regular-season relief appearances in 2004, then pitched eight scoreless innings in five games in October as Houston rallied to beat the Braves in five games in the NL Division Series before losing to the Cardinals in seven games in the exciting NLCS. The right-hander also played a very important set-up role for the 2005 NL pennant-winning Astros.

    By far the biggest waiver deal went down early, on Aug. 6: The Rockies dumped the salary of oft-injured veteran star Larry Walker on the Cardinals for three minor leaguers. Walker was absolutely everything St. Louis hoped for that year; he slammed 11 homers, scoring 29 runs and driving in 27 while posting a .953 OPS in 44 games in the Gateway City. He was truly en fuego in October, posting a 1.244 OPS while hitting two homers and scoring six runs as the Cards waxed the Dodgers in four games in the division series. In the NLCS, Walker continued his tear, posting an .865 OPS with two more homers, six more runs and five RBI. The veteran right fielder continued to thump the ball even as Boston swept St. Louis in the Fall Classic. He hit two more home runs while posting a 1.367 OPS.


    2003
    A whopping 17 waiver deals were consummated that August, with by far the biggest being one between two non-contenders. The long-anticipated, salary-motivated trade of Brian Giles from the Pirates to the Padres for Oliver Perez and Jason Bay was a key element of both teams' rebuilding efforts. Bay replaced Giles' big bat in the Pirates' lineup, copping the NL Rookie of the Year award the next season, and Perez wowed NL hitters in 2004, fanning 239 before self-destructing a year later. Giles helped San Diego return to contention in 2004 as the club opened its new ballpark.
    There were two important waiver deals that year in terms of the pennant races. The first was the Cubs' acquisition of first baseman Randall Simon in midmonth from the Pirates for minor league outfielder Ray Sadler. Simon hit .282 with six homers and 21 RBI in 103 at-bats in Chicago as the Cubs squeaked by the Astros and Cardinals to win the weak NL Central with an 88-74 record. Chicago went on to beat the Braves in five in the division series, losing to the Marlins and Steve Bartman in seven games in an NLCS many found thrilling but Cubs fans considered tragic. Simon hit .333 in 24 at-bats with one home run, four runs and six RBI in the postseason before returning to Pittsburgh via free agency at the end of the season.

    The second waiver move with real postseason impact was the Marlins' acquisition of veteran outfielder Jeff Conine for right-handed pitchers Denny Bautista and Don Levinski on Aug. 31. Conine hit five homers and drove in 15 runs in September as the Marlins captured the wild card. After an undistinguished division series, Conine hit .458 with four runs and three RBI in the NLCS and .333 with four runs (no RBI) against the Yankees as the Marlins won the World Series.

    Other name players traveling the waiver route in 2003 included veteran relievers such as Armando Benitez, Jeff Nelson, Kent Mercker and Scott Sullivan; starters Sterling Hitchcock and Brian Anderson; and outfielder Rondell White.


    2002
    Eight waiver deals were made that August. St. Louis, which won the NL Central by 13 games, picked up pitchers Jeff Fassero (on Aug. 25 for two minor leaguers) and Jamey Wright (on Aug. 29 for Mike Matthews) via waiver trades from the Cubs and Brewers, respectively. Wright went 2-0 in three late-season starts for the Redbirds, and Fassero posted a lucky 3-0 record in relief, partly thanks to his two blown saves.
    Fassero pitched effectively in relief in four games in the postseason as the Cards swept the Diamondbacks in the division series but then fell in five games in the NLCS to the Giants. Wright did not appear in October action.

    Aside from St. Louis, the biggest names moved on the waiver wire that year were veterans Tom Gordon and Mark Loretta, both acquired by Houston, and Ismael Valdez, picked up by Seattle.


    2001
    Eight waiver deals were made that August. By far the most important move was the Padres-Cardinals trade Aug. 2 that brought right-handed starter Woody Williams to St. Louis for disgruntled outfielder Ray Lankford.
    Williams went 7-1 in 11 starts for the Cards, posting a 2.28 ERA, almost two runs below his career average. Without Williams, St. Louis wouldn't have been able to tie Houston for the NL Central lead. The Cardinals had to accept the wild-card berth as the Astros won the division title via tiebreakers. Williams started and won Game 2 of the division series, allowing only one earned run in seven innings as St. Louis fell to eventual world champion Arizona in five games.
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    Re: Waiver Moves- Very Little

    Is there any sort of list of players put on the WW in the last few days?
    WHEN DOES IT STOP!?!?

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    Re: Waiver Moves- Very Little

    Quote Originally Posted by Royals Fan
    Any trades will be for guys not on the 40 man roster- all players on the 40 man roster will be subject to any claims if sent thur waiver wire and alot teams will not put ther best players on it cause of wha could happneed.
    These are revocable waivers, a team can pull a player back if claimed. Most teams dump their whole roster on waivers just to see who bites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD
    It depends. If Bob is willing to take on salary, maybe the Reds can claim a big contract that gets pushed through waviers.

    We're very lucky that Arizonia is not trying to make a run for the wildcard. Naturally, they aren't trying to lose, but they aren't getting any reinforcements. It seems like all we have to worry about is Atlanta and LA making moves or possibly blocking players that we want. Or maybe Houston/San Deigo.

    Of course, that is only in the NL. Any AL players waived have to go through the entire AL before the NL gets a shot at them, so I doubt we get any AL players.

    Arizona had acquired Zito before a third team pulled out of the deal, so they definately tried, just didn't work out.



    Diamondbacks' deal for Zito falls through
    Melvin: 'We like our club here'

    Bob McManaman
    The Arizona Republic
    Aug. 1, 2006 12:00 AM


    CHICAGO - No news was good news Monday for some of the top prospects in the Diamondbacks' farm system, along with a few established players on the 25-man active roster.

    But by remaining idle and not making a single move before Monday's non-waiver trading deadline - when the rest of the National League West all made deals to try and improve - did the Diamondbacks do all they could to help their chances down the stretch?

    More than a few players said privately they were disappointed the club couldn't reel in a trade for a pitcher to bolster the starting rotation. That's what General Manager Josh Byrnes had targeted, and just three hours before Monday's 1 p.m. deadline, Arizona had four separate deals on the table to try to bring in pitching help. But nothing could get done. advertisement




    Another deal that fizzled had the Diamondbacks acquiring Oakland A's left-hander Barry Zito in a potential three-team trade, but the third team backed out and the A's held on to Zito, who also was being heavily courted by the New York Mets.

    Right fielder Shawn Green, whose name had been linked to trade rumors, including one that might have sent him to the Yankees before Bobby Abreu went to the Bronx, said he wasn't surprised to see the Diamondbacks stand pat.

    "You never know, though," Green said. "We've got a lot of talent here. Our team's been pretty streaky, and we've been playing good baseball."

    Asked if he felt the team needed to upgrade the starting rotation, the noted weak spot on the team, Green said, "If those guys stay healthy, there's no reason why we can't stay in this race and potentially win it. But that's the key - staying healthy."

    Manager Bob Melvin has said all along he'd be comfortable sticking with the players he's had and didn't change his tune.

    "We like our club here," he said. "We're not going to mortgage a lot of the guys we feel are going to be big parts of this thing going forward. In talking to Josh, he just felt like there wasn't the right deal out there. I know he looked . . . "

    But everybody else in the division looked and found. The Dodgers not only picked up third baseman Wilson Betemit, they added Cubs starting pitcher Greg Maddux and Tampa Bay infielder Julio Lugo.

    Los Angeles wasn't alone. The first-place Padres acquired infielder Todd Walker from the Cubs. The Rockies got left-hander Jeremy Affeldt from the Royals. And in recent days, the Giants added reliever Mike Stanton and infielder Shea Hillenbrand, a former Diamondbacks player.

    Other than the Maddux deal, Melvin didn't see much in the way of the moves by the NL West clubs, saying "nothing earth-shattering" occurred, such as the hot rumor of the Dodgers acquiring Washington's Alfonso Soriano.

    "It wasn't going to make any difference, anyway," Melvin said.

    "We just have to go out there and do our thing and worry about us."

    But the craftiness of Maddux, who is 9-11 with a 4.69 ERA and was to face Arizona here Thursday, can't be overlooked.

    "It's not every day you get to catch a Hall of Famer, a guy with 300-plus wins," Cubs catcher Michael Barrett said. "He's still got a lot of great innings ahead of him. I think it's a good move for him. He gets to go to a playoff-contending team and he's going to have an impact there."

    As for the unchanged Diamondbacks, who have only gotten younger with the recent call-ups of shortstop Stephen Drew, outfielder Carlos Quentin and relief pitcher Tony Peņa, maybe no news will be good news, indeed.

    "In the beginning of the year, it felt like nobody in our division distinguished themselves enough to separate themselves and I think that's played out to this point," first baseman Tony Clark said. " . . . May the best team win."

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    Re: Waiver Moves- Very Little

    I see that with so many teams in the wildcard race- alot teams will just block anyone coming on the wavier wire.

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    Re: Waiver Moves- Very Little

    there hasnt been a major waiver pick up post trade deadline in YEARS. No one will pick up anybody of any course changing significance.

    waiver wire is overrated. u might get second tier players switched around but most impact players will not clear due to opposing teams blocking each other.

    discussion over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royals Fan
    When an player moved in NLr- does he strictly go to NL first or both league that where I can see claims coming form Boston and New York and others?
    Yes, if an NL team waives a player, all the NL teams get a chance to claim him (team with worst record gets priority). Then if all the NL teams pass, the AL teams get a shot at him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Az. Reds Fan
    Arizona had acquired Zito before a third team pulled out of the deal, so they definately tried, just didn't work out.
    Thanks for the info, I didn't know that.
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    Re: Waiver Moves- Very Little

    Quote Originally Posted by KalDanielsfan
    there hasnt been a major waiver pick up post trade deadline in YEARS. No one will pick up anybody of any course changing significance.

    waiver wire is overrated. u might get second tier players switched around but most impact players will not clear due to opposing teams blocking each other.

    discussion over.
    Larry Walker and Brian Giles were both moved in waiver wire deals in the last few years.

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    It would be nice to get larue passed through waivers to boston, since they might be looking for a catcher with varitek down. He would have to pass through the whole NL and just about the whole AL though without getting claimed. However with his big salary and not starting he might make it through, if someone did claim him I would see if they would make a deal and if they didnt I would say here you go hes all yours. That would save us alot of cash in the longrun. Also I did read that KC still wants to try to get redman through waivers and trade him, Wayne if you see him coming through, claim him.

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    Re: Waiver Moves- Very Little

    Apparently no one either saw what I wrote at the end of the previous post or it's just not as noticeable as I think.

    '01 St. Louis p/u Woody Williams in August

    '02 St. Louis p/u Jeff Fassero & Jamey Wright

    '04 St. Louis p/u Larry Walker

    All of whom were instrumental in helping them win the division! Once is random, twice is a trend but 3 times is a nasty habit that they cannot break themselves of. I expect them to make a deal again this year because lord knows they need to.

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    Re: Waiver Moves- Very Little

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM
    Larry Walker and Brian Giles were both moved in waiver wire deals in the last few years.

    I'll give u Larry Walker (wow i totally forgot about him and the Cards) but i consider the rest of those players 2nd tier.


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