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    Brett William Moore Will M's Avatar
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    2007 #1 need: a BAT

    I think the #1 need next year is for a BAT. We need someone who can play SS, 2B or CF, play good defense & contribute offensively.
    I envision a lineup of:

    Freel
    ???
    Dunn LF
    Encarnacion 3B
    Griffey RF
    Hatteburg/Aurillia 1B
    Phillips
    Ross C

    OR

    Freel
    Hatteburg/Aurillia 1B
    Dunn LF
    Encarnacion 3B
    Griffey RF { He has to move away from CF }
    ???
    Phillips
    Ross C


    We need either:
    a SS ( which Phillips at 2B & Freel in CF )
    a 2B ( which Phillips at SS & Freel in CF )
    a CF ( which Phillips at SS & Freel at 2B)

    Looking at potential acquisitions:

    1. Tori Hunter may be a free agent ( if the Twins decline his $12million option ). He would look good in CF & batting 5th.

    2. Julio Lugo is a free agent. He would be a good #2 hitter and can play 2b or SS.

    So...

    1. do you agree with me?

    2. who else is available for 2007?

    - Will

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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    I don't care where it comes from, but this team will need some R handed power. EE works for me, whether he's at 3B, 1B or in the OF. I'd like to get his bat in the lineup more often.

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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    I disagree, sort of. They do need another right handed bat, but another decent starting pitcher is the #1 need.

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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    Throw money at Soriano

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    If Tori Hunter could prove he's healthy, I'd see if he could be had for a decent contract. In Minn. he's a .270, 25 HR, 80-90 RBI guy, so you'd figure those numbers would go up playing in Cincinati. Jr would have to move to RF, no questions asked. Playing only 98 games last year and missing about 15 games this year is a concern though.

    Nobody else on the market is too intriguing. Carlos Lee would be expensive and is a defensive liability and Soriano will get huge $$$.

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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    Pitching wins championships.

    A bat is a useful tool, but not a need yet. We need more pitching.

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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph
    Pitching wins championships.

    A bat is a useful tool, but not a need yet. We need more pitching.
    Many have suggested Phillips to SS; some have suggested RA to 2B. That may sacrifice some IF range, but it sure would take care of the "extra" RH bat -- Encarnacion -- and become possibly the best NL offense.

    After Freel at the top of the lineup, almost each any every other guy could be a legitimate #3, #4, or #5 hitter in some team's lineup. For example:

    RF -FREEL
    LF - DUNN
    3B - E.E.
    CF - GRIFF
    2B - R.A.
    1B - HAT
    SS - PHILLIPS
    C - ROSS

    That's gotta be the most potent 6, 7, 8 combo outside the designated hitter league.

    Add to that a legit #3 rotation horse and the negative IF range factor starts to evaporate.

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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    My opinion:

    RF -FREEL - good range, weak arm
    LF - DUNN - was terrible defensively but getting OK
    3B - E.E. - bad defensively but trying to improve
    CF - GRIFF - terrible in CF, ZERO range
    2B - R.A. - terrible range at 2B
    1B - HAT - OK defensively
    SS - PHILLIPS - gold glove at 2B or SS
    C - ROSS - above average defensively

    so we would have 2/8 above average , 3/8 ok & 3/8 poor defensively

    There is NO WAY I want to see RA at 2B or Griffey in CF in 2007.

    Freel's good range & weak arm make him a better option in CF

    RA needs to be at 3B or 1B only

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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M
    My opinion:

    RF -FREEL - good range, weak arm
    LF - DUNN - was terrible defensively but getting OK
    3B - E.E. - bad defensively but trying to improve
    CF - GRIFF - terrible in CF, ZERO range
    2B - R.A. - terrible range at 2B
    1B - HAT - OK defensively
    SS - PHILLIPS - gold glove at 2B or SS
    C - ROSS - above average defensively

    so we would have 2/8 above average , 3/8 ok & 3/8 poor defensively

    There is NO WAY I want to see RA at 2B or Griffey in CF in 2007.

    Freel's good range & weak arm make him a better option in CF

    RA needs to be at 3B or 1B only

    - Will
    Hatt is at least an above avg defender. I think he plays one hell of a 1st base.
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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    For the money that most of those guys you have mentioned I would rather spend it on a quality starting pitching. Starting pitching is where success is determined. Add just one more quality starting pitcher to our ratation as it stands now and you have a playoff team.
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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    It's going to be tough to add quality starting pitching though. We don't have the chips to trade for it, and the bidding for even mediocre FA starting pitching has gotten way out of hand.

    In contrast, you can improve the talent in position players a lot more economically. I'm not saying that we should ignore starting pitching, just saying it might translate into more wins if we get a legit starting SS and possibly another bat elsewhere.. In other words, spending 7 million on position players might give us more wins than signing a Paul Byrd or Milton type guy, because that's what the going rate is now for a mediocre starting pitcher.
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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    I think Tori Hunter would be a good option. If we could pick up him and then find a #2 or 3 starter that would be great.
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    #1 Sp = $$$

    Look at the projected 2007 rotation:

    Harang
    Arroyo
    Elizardo
    Milton
    ???

    I'm guessing we will be seeing Bailey sometime in 2008.
    Whether at the start of the season or half way through I don't know.
    This assumes he continues to progress.
    I do think he will have to pitch 1/2 season at AAA before Wayne calls him up.

    Clausen or Lohse will be the 5th started the rest of 2006.
    We will see how they perform.
    They will be auditioning for 2007.

    We also need to see Elizardo over the last 2 months of 2006 to feel comfortable that he will continue to progress

    I totally agree that a rotation of Harang, Zito, Arroyo, Elizardo &
    Milton/Bailey would be awesome BUT

    1. Zito will cost $75 million over 5 years. Any #1 or #2 starter in the free agent market is going to cost a LOT of money

    2. Do you really want to run out an offense like we are seeing currently for 2007? We need to replace the weak bat of Clayton with a strong bat.

    A guy like Lugo or Hunter or someone similar will cost a LOT less than Zito & could give the Reds money saved to sign a stopgap #3/4 starter while waiting for Bailey.
    The 2007 Reds bullpen should be deep { Bray Coffey Majik Cormier Stanbridge Belisle } so we could get away with a weaker rotation & better offense

    - Will

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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    You could put your money on us getting Hunter...he's in Minnesota, remember?

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    Re: 2007 #1 need: a BAT

    I'm guessing we will be seeing Bailey sometime in 2008.
    No way. If you don't see him in '06, you will see him at some point in '07. Maybe not right out of spring training, but he will be called up.


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