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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red
    My dad told me a story about playing in a Pro-am 20 years or so ago. He said the conversation turned to Nicklaus and why he was so good.

    The pro said," Sure Nicklaus hits it further than anyone else, but that's not why he wins. There are four big reasons he wins all the big tournaments..."

    1.He works harder than anyone else

    2. He's a better course manager than anyone else

    3. Everyone knows he's better than them

    4. He knows everyone knows he's better than them.

    I think this applies to Tiger as well.

    Spot on - also heard what Sergio Garcia said - talk about sour grapes.

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    Re: Tiger vs. Jack

    Quote Originally Posted by paintmered
    I think it's a stretch to claim that Nike's clubs are better than the major golf equipment companies - and that makes it all the more impressive.

    The clubs Tiger uses may say Nike on them, but they are actually forged by Mizuno. A little food for thought.

    It's not the club or component side of the technology coin that's staggering, it's the ball side. The golf ball today isn't your daddy's golf ball. 3 piece, 4 pieces, a lot different than a wound balata.

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    Re: Tiger vs. Jack

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red
    My dad told me a story about playing in a Pro-am 20 years or so ago. He said the conversation turned to Nicklaus and why he was so good.

    The pro said," Sure Nicklaus hits it further than anyone else, but that's not why he wins. There are four big reasons he wins all the big tournaments..."

    1.He works harder than anyone else

    2. He's a better course manager than anyone else

    3. Everyone knows he's better than them

    4. He knows everyone knows he's better than them.

    I think this applies to Tiger as well.

    This is the biggest reason Tiger won the last two majors. He led the field in GIR, and wisely chose clubs off the tee. Tiger could have hit 3 wood or 5 wood all the way around Medinah and still won by 3 shots. He should have left the driver in Florida.

    Reasons 3 and 4 are why the rest of the field folded like a cheap suit on Sunday. Mike Weir suddenly remembered that 80 he shot in the same group with Eldrick in 1999, and Sergio is probably one of the worse putters the Tour has seen in a decade. Take those two reasons, and join that with Luke "Deer in Headlights" Donald, and you get Tiger by 5.

    Now, unfortunately, we're starting to see a reverse trend where Tiger has no competition at the present moment. Look for him to make another run at a Tiger Slam, where he could feasibly win the 07 Masters and 07 US Open and hold all 4 titles at once, albeit not in the same calendar year.

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    Wow. Just wow! I'm afraid if I tried to describe Tiger, the words couldn't possibly do justice. And Vijay is no slouch.
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    Re: Tiger vs. Jack

    How good is Tiger?

    Amazing. 5 in a row.

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    Re: Tiger vs. Jack

    Quote Originally Posted by MWM View Post
    Wow. Just wow! I'm afraid if I tried to describe Tiger, the words couldn't possibly do justice. And Vijay is no slouch.

    6 under on his first 7 holes today. Goes out in 30, coasts in with 33.

    45% of the way to equaling Nelson's mark. If there's one record I want to see broken, it's not the 56 game Joe D streak, it's Byron Nelson's 11 in a row.

    Let's hope he uses this momemtum to do some work in the Ryder Cup, since that's the only glaring weakness to Tiger's career so far.

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    Re: Tiger vs. Jack

    Can I change my vote...wow, he's on a roll.

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    Tiger lost to Shaun Micheel today in the opening round of the Match Play Championships: 4 and 3. His loss today officially ends his streak.

    He will have the chance to correct his match play history in the Ryder Cup. But his Ryder Cup play is his lone major blemish on his record. Today's result doesn't give me much faith that he's going to turn that around this year. The Americans are overdue for a win and Tiger is going to have to pull his weight for that to happen.
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    Re: Tiger vs. Jack

    What was Jack's Ryder Cup record?

    Tigers' gets the spotlight because of the world we live in trying to find a fault, any fault in his game.

    The Europeans were taking it to the Americans long before Tiger put on the ugly american team shirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    What was Jack's Ryder Cup record?

    Tigers' gets the spotlight because of the world we live in trying to find a fault, any fault in his game.
    Jack's Ryder Cup record is 17-8-3 in six competitions.

    Tiger's record is 7-11-2 through four competitions.


    The Europeans were taking it to the Americans long before Tiger put on the ugly american team shirt.

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    1999	 The Country Club, Brookline, MA	 U.S. 14 1/2		 Europe 13 1/2
    1997	 Valderrama GC, Sotogrande Spain	 Europe 14 1/2		 U.S. 13 1/2
    1995	 Oak Hill CC, Rochester, NY	 Europe 14 1/2		 U.S. 13 1/2
    1993	 The Belfry, Sutton Coldfield, Eng	 U.S. 15		 Europe 13
    1991	 The Ocean Course,Kiawah Islnd, S.C.	 U.S. 14 1/2		 Europe 13 1/2
    1989	 The Belfry, Sutton Coldfield, Eng	 Europe 14		 U.S. 14
    1987	 Muirfield Village GC, Dublin, Ohio	 Europe 15		 U.S. 13
    1985	 The Belfry, Sutton Coldfield, Eng	 Europe 16 1/2		 U.S. 11 1/2
    1983	 PGA Ntnl GC, Plm Beach Gdns, Fla.	 U.S. 14 1/2		 Europe 13 1/2
    1981	 Walton Health GC, Surrey, England	 U.S. 18 1/2		 Europe 9 1/2
    1979	 The Greenbrier,W. Va.	 U.S. 17		 Europe 11
    1977	 Royal Lytham & St. Annes, England	 U.S. 12 1/2		 GB & I 7 1/2
    1975	 Laurel Valley GC, Ligonier, Pa.	 U.S. 21		 GB & I 11
    1973	 Muirfield, Scotland 	 U.S. 19		 GB & I 13
    1971	 Old Warson CC, St. Louis, Mo.	 U.S. 18 1/2		 Britain 13 1/2
    1969	 Royal Birkdale GC, Southport, Eng	 U.S. 16		 Britain 16
    1967	 Champions GC, Houston, Texas	 U.S. 23 1/2		 Britain 8 1/2
    1965	 Royal Birkdale GC, Southport, Eng	 U.S. 19 1/2		 Britain 12 1/2
    1963	 East Lake CC, Atlanta, Ga.	 U.S. 23		 Britain 9
    1961	 Royal Lytham & St. Annes, England	 U.S. 14 1/2		 Britain 9 1/2
    1959	 Eldorado CC, Palm Desert, Calif.	 U.S. 8 1/2		 Britain 3 1/2
    1957	 Lindrick GC, Yorkshire, England	 Britain 7 1/2		 U.S. 4 1/2
    1955	 Thunderbird CC, Plm Springs, Calif.	 U.S. 8		 Britain 4
    1953	 Wentworth GC, Wentworth, England	 U.S. 6 1/2		 Britain 5 1/2
    1951	 Pinehurst CC, Pinehurst, N.C. 	 U.S. 9 1/2		 Britain 2 1/2
    1949	 Ganton GC, Scarborough, England	 U.S. 7		 Britain 5
    1947	 Portland GC, Portland, Ore.	 U.S. 11		 Britain 1
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     1945	 No Matches played due to World War II	
    1937	 Southport & Ainsdale GC, England	 U.S. 8		 Britain 4
    1935	 Ridgewood CC, Ridgewood, N.J.	 U.S. 9		 Britain 3
    1933	 Southport & Ainsdale GC, England	 Britain 6 1/2		 U.S. 5 1/2
    1931	 Scioto CC, Columbus, Ohio	 U.S. 9		 Britain 3
    1929	 Moortown GC, Leeds, England	 Britain 7		 U.S. 5
    1927	 Worcester CC, Worcester, Mass.	 U.S. 9 1/2		 Britain 2 1/2
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    Re: Tiger vs. Jack

    Quote Originally Posted by paintmered View Post
    Jack's Ryder Cup record is 17-8-3 in six competitions.

    Tiger's record is 7-11-2 through four competitions.
    Tiger certainly hasn't proven himself in the Ryder Cup - especially in comparison to Jack - but what you have to remember is that in Jack's day the U.S. only played Great Britian and Ireland while now they play against all of Europe. So the competition now is much steeper. However, if Tiger is the best in the world, he should have somewhat of a better record in Ryder Cup.
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    Re: Tiger vs. Jack

    Quote Originally Posted by paintmered View Post
    Tiger lost to Shaun Micheel today in the opening round of the Match Play Championships: 4 and 3. His loss today officially ends his streak.
    He will have the chance to correct his match play history in the Ryder Cup. But his Ryder Cup play is his lone major blemish on his record. Today's result doesn't give me much faith that he's going to turn that around this year. The Americans are overdue for a win and Tiger is going to have to pull his weight for that to happen.
    False.

    Match play events do not count towards his streak. The next stroke play event he enters will determine the fate of the streak.

    Tiger's record going into the Ryder Cup, 7-11-2. Look for him to play the majority of his matches with Jim Furyk. Tiger will need to be near perfect for the US to have any remote chance against Europe.

    My prediction, Europe 16.5 to 11.5.
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    And, the Europeans need to be near perfect to defeat the United States. There is not that great of a talent difference for anyone to accurately predict that one side or the other has only a remote chance of winning. Two very good teams of golfers. The one that is "hot" will win.

    Tige's PGA streak does continue. Only PGA events qualify. I also believe that he could play a European Tour event and lose without the streak being broken. Correct me if I am wrong in that assumption.
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    Another thing to consider is that the Ryder Cup matches include a partner. Tiger is only hitting half the shots in most of his matches. Anyone know his record in head-to-head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    False.

    Match play events do not count towards his streak. The next stroke play event he enters will determine the fate of the streak.
    I know that now, but it was reported that his streak was officially over when I posted that. I think it was sportscenter that said that right after he lost.

    I'm just the messenger of erroneous information.
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