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    Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Since the Trade, Lopez has hit .284/.385/.432 with 2 HR in 81 AB. Still not on par with last year (except for the BB rate), but still good numbers.

    And about his defense:

    How bad is it really? From what I could tell visually, he had at the very least average range, if not above average, and a strong, if at teams a tad erratic, arm. What really was wrong with his defense?
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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    very poor range, good but scatter arm. not that great at the double play.
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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    very poor range, good but scatter arm. not that great at the double play.
    I just don't see it, range-wise. From what I could tell, he wasn't the best, but not the worst by any measure, either.

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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190
    I just don't see it, range-wise. From what I could tell, he wasn't the best, but not the worst by any measure, either.
    from defensive statistic metrics he was in the bottom third in the majors.

    from watching him, it sure seemed likely.

    he was very poor at going into the hole IMO.

    He may end up being a decent second baseman but I just don't see him cutting it at SS.
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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190
    Since the Trade, Lopez has hit .284/.385/.432 with 2 HR in 81 AB. Still not on par with last year (except for the BB rate), but still good numbers.

    And about his defense:

    How bad is it really? From what I could tell visually, he had at the very least average range, if not above average, and a strong, if at teams a tad erratic, arm. What really was wrong with his defense?
    He also has 9 stolen bases.


    He is one of the worst defensive SS in baseball.

    That being said if we can get him back for Majewski I'd do it in a second.

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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    He was clocking the 3rd worst SS fielding percentage for Reds SS since Harry Trumans first term.

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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    He also has 9 stolen bases.


    He is one of the worst defensive SS in baseball.

    That being said if we can get him back for Majewski I'd do it in a second.
    From a statistic metric stance, yes, and I'll believe that he was a bad SS (I'm not the greatest scout ), but had a strong arm...that has to count for SOMETHING....right?

    I'd still have waited til November and did the Brandon Phillips/Felipe Lopez Musical Chair Position Switch Jamboree and kept the extra offense sacrificed for Gary Majewski.

    For the record, the deal most likely could've been done simply Austin Kearns for Bill Bray, no?
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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190
    From a statistic metric stance, yes, and I'll believe that he was a bad SS (I'm not the greatest scout ), but had a strong arm...that has to count for SOMETHING....right?

    I'd still have waited til November and did the Brandon Phillips/Felipe Lopez Musical Chair Position Switch Jamboree and kept the extra offense sacrificed for Gary Majewski.

    For the record, the deal most likely could've been done simply Austin Kearns for Bill Bray, no?
    the problem with that IMO is Lopez is going to make about 5 mil next year. What if he's a failure at 2B?
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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190
    ...but had a strong arm...that has to count for SOMETHING....right?
    since Range Factor includes Assists, i believe RF tends to be a decent measure of arm strength as well...but when you have a good arm AND a poor RF, it most definetly means your range is lacking.
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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    the problem with that IMO is Lopez is going to make about 5 mil next year. What if he's a failure at 2B?
    He can still hit.

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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190
    He can still hit.

    lefthanded, yes. right not so well. and what if he's a disaster at 2B? The Reds can't continue to suck it up defensively IMO.

    TMBS, I think they probably should have tried it this year and found out if it would have worked before he got big bucks in arb as SS.

    Another thing to consider is that his bat is really only above average as a SS and maybe a 2B, but if he couldn't play MI then his bat really isn't that good.
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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    lefthanded, yes. right not so well. and what if he's a disaster at 2B? The Reds can't continue to suck it up defensively IMO.

    TMBS, I think they probably should have tried it this year and found out if it would have worked before he got big bucks in arb as SS.

    Another thing to consider is that his bat is really only above average as a SS and maybe a 2B, but if he couldn't play MI then his bat really isn't that good.
    Eh. He on-bases well, and has a tiny bit of pop. He could work as a 3B. CF, maybe.

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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190
    Eh. He on-bases well, and has a tiny bit of pop. He could work as a 3B. CF, maybe.
    and that's where the problem is IMO. He's already going to be making 5 mil and we're not sure where he'll even be able to play.

    that's a lot of maybe's that are just fine when a guy is making less money but the time to find a position for a guy is before he's getting big bucks.
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    Re: Lopez since 'The Trade'/How bad is Lopez's D?

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro
    and that's where the problem is IMO. He's already going to be making 5 mil and we're not sure where he'll even be able to play.

    that's a lot of maybe's that are just fine when a guy is making less money but the time to find a position for a guy is before he's getting big bucks.
    Player sucks, so he's going to make a lot of money and he can't play another position so let's trade him for less than he's worth.

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