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    Majewskigate

    http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/

    Shot across the bow

    Wayne Krivsky was clearly uncomfortable earlier this afternoon facing a throng of reporters to discuss the aftermath of Gary Majewski's injury.

    The bottom line is he isn't sure yet what the MLB procedure is for grievances in this case, but it sounds like the Reds are checking into it. The Reds clearly feel like information was withheld here, but Krivsky bent over backwards not to take a direct shot at Jim Bowden and the Nationals.

    He said he called Bowden this morning but had not heard back from him as of 5 p.m. or so.

    Krivsky then was asked whether he would stop dealing with Bowden in the future and the floodgates opened. I'll run the whole quote and let it speak for itself.

    "This doesn't preclude doing future business," said Krivsky. "I don't like eliminating talent pools. I don't like eliminating teams. Hopefully, people feel like when they're dealing with us they're dealing straight-up. I want people to feel like they're being dealt with honestly. For me, Wayne Krivsky talking, your credibility is paramount not only with (the media) but with other teams and the fans and ownership. You lose your credibility, you're done in this business. You better treat people right and treat them the way you want to be treated, or you're not going to be as effective a general manager, farm director, scouting director, scout. To me, that's a pretty big thing right there."
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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    I hope Bowden gets fired, again. And I hope that when it happens, Wayne Krivsky has something to do with it. Bowden is a joke, a lying, cheating, sniveling, arrogant joke.
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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    OK, count me lost, doesn't each player have to do a physical before all the dots are signed? and if not, then wouldn't you think that the gaining team would get every information they could about the player and his injury or his sore shoulder? Why would Bowden lie? I don't get it.

    How about the Reds medical staff? Hasn't many complained on here that they are horrible?
    "Some of the guys who pitched well for us last year aren't going to make the ballclub," Narron said.

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    Daughtery, who was hosting Lance's show today on my way home from work said that Majewski told the Reds that the Nationals told him, to "keep it quiet" about his tendonitis and cortisone shots, before he was traded. Maybe this is common knowledge now, but apparently it isn't just Krivsky assuming this was the case - words came from Majewski.

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    He wasn't "injured." MRI revealed no damage.

    This is a non-issue. Deader than a doornail.

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    In a fist fight I'd bet on the guy in leather
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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    He wasn't "injured." MRI revealed no damage.

    This is a non-issue. Deader than a doornail.
    Casey's MRI showed "no damage" only to find out he needed MAJOR shoulder surgery. So I would not go so far as to say he is not "injured".

    Although I do get your point. Not exactly the evidence I would want shown in court.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    He wasn't "injured." MRI revealed no damage.

    This is a non-issue. Deader than a doornail.
    Yep! So what is all the hub bub about?
    "Some of the guys who pitched well for us last year aren't going to make the ballclub," Narron said.

    Pete Rose, when asked by David Letterman who he likes in the MLB playoffs:

    "You sound like you're betting on baseball."

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    Quote Originally Posted by cReds1
    OK, count me lost, doesn't each player have to do a physical before all the dots are signed? and if not, then wouldn't you think that the gaining team would get every information they could about the player and his injury or his sore shoulder? Why would Bowden lie? I don't get it.

    How about the Reds medical staff? Hasn't many complained on here that they are horrible?
    Supposably an MRI wouldn't have revealed any damage and the cortisone shot will mask pain until it wears off. The whole situation is strange. Kremcheck works with both clubs and and offered this explanation - not sure why tendonitis, ecspecially if it's severe enough to shut someone down - wouldn't show up on an x-ray either. But maybe in his case it doesn't.

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    Quote Originally Posted by cReds1
    Yep! So what is all the hub bub about?
    If the Nationals told Majewski to keep quiet, then clearly something is and was wrong.

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark
    Casey's MRI showed "no damage" only to find out he needed MAJOR shoulder surgery. So I would not go so far as to say he is not "injured".

    Then Casey's diagnosis changed. When the deal went down, he was healthy. He had a ton of work on his arm (which is something Krivsky should have already known), but there was no structural damage.

    This Bowden "concealed" it stuff won't matter in terms of the Reds getting a "do-over" on the deal; it may damage Bowden's reputation, but it's not going to do anything to help the Reds ultimately.

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5856684

    Reds seek explanation on Majewski

    CINCINNATI (AP) - Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky sought an explanation Tuesday for why Cincinnati was unaware that reliever Gary Majewski had a sore shoulder when the team acquired him in a trade with Washington.

    The Reds didn't know that the right-hander had a cortisone injection in his shoulder before the All-Star break. Majewski was placed on the 15-day disabled list Monday after telling the team that his shoulder has bothered him since spring training.
    A medical test found no serious injury. There's no telling how long he will be sidelined with what was diagnosed as a tired shoulder.

    "I'm still trying to figure out what's what here," Krivsky said. "I'm glad we have Gary Majewski, and I'm glad he's not hurt seriously. I'm disappointed he's not active for us right now."

    Krivsky left a telephone message Tuesday morning for Nationals general manager Jim Bowden. Majewski and reliever Bill Bray were the keys in an eight-player deal on July 13 that sent outfielder Austin Kearns and shortstop Felipe Lopez to Washington.

    "I did call him, and I have not heard back," Krivsky said, before a game against St. Louis. "I just wanted to have a conversation."

    In Washington, Bowden said he was surprised by the controversy in Cincinnati over the condition of Majewski's shoulder.

    "I don't think they feel that way," Bowden said before a game against Florida. "If they did, I know one thing: Wayne Krivsky would call me directly.

    "And our organization is always forthright honest in any transaction we make. We supply every documentation that's ever asked on every single player. I think that's just a media report. I don't think there's any truth to it, and the Reds have certainly not called us and they certainly would call us if there was an issue."

    Later Tuesday night, Bowden issued a statement saying he was "disappointed" by Krivsky's statement that he had tried to reach him about the trade.

    "I never received either a call or a message from Wayne, but when I read his comments this evening, I called him and reminded him that the Cincinnati Reds had received all of the medical information they requested, both before and after the trade," Bowden's statement said. "It is also worth remembering that Gary pitched for us right up to the trade and has continued doing so for the Reds up until now."

    Krivsky sidestepped questions about whether the team might file a grievance over the deal. Asked if a team should disclose during trade discussions that a player recently had a cortisone shot, Krivsky pursed his lips, thought for five seconds, then declined comment.

    Krivsky wouldn't rule out future trade discussions with Bowden, who was the Reds' general manager for 10 years.

    "I don't like eliminating teams," Krivsky said. "Hopefully people feel when they deal with us, they're dealing straight up. And I want people to feel like they're being dealt with honestly.

    "For me, your credibility is paramount, not only with (the media) but with other teams and the fans and your ownership. You lose your credibility, you're done in this business."
    "Some of the guys who pitched well for us last year aren't going to make the ballclub," Narron said.

    Pete Rose, when asked by David Letterman who he likes in the MLB playoffs:

    "You sound like you're betting on baseball."

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    He wasn't "injured." MRI revealed no damage.

    This is a non-issue. Deader than a doornail.
    If the cortizone shot was not told to the Reds, it is not a dead issue. If you are buying a "certified used car" form a dealership, and they don't tell you about serious wreck....a court will give you your money back, even though the car my run.
    Not this year...maybe a Wild Card

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    Then Casey's diagnosis changed. When the deal went down, he was healthy. He had a ton of work on his arm (which is something Krivsky should have already known), but there was no structural damage.

    This Bowden "concealed" it stuff won't matter in terms of the Reds getting a "do-over" on the deal; it may damage Bowden's reputation, but it's not going to do anything to help the Reds ultimately.
    Ohh I agree with you. I have heard or seen nothing that I would take to the commissioners office with certainty. I just have a hard time using an MRI as my basis for saying a player is not injured. That's all. I do agree with you though. I even repped you for bringing this up.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    Re: Krivsky Is Going After Bowden

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44
    If the Nationals told Majewski to keep quiet, then clearly something is and was wrong.
    I just can't see a player keeping something like this quiet. What would he benefit from doing this?
    "Some of the guys who pitched well for us last year aren't going to make the ballclub," Narron said.

    Pete Rose, when asked by David Letterman who he likes in the MLB playoffs:

    "You sound like you're betting on baseball."


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