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    In case anyone is interested in knowing how Homer Bailey would do in the bigs right now..... Tune into Fox and watch Scott Mathieson.

    Same type of fastabll, delivery and pitch selection. Scott like Homer has difficulty "consistently" throwing anything but his fastballs for strikes. Big leaguers can hit a 95+ MPH Fastball if they know it's coming.

    We had someone at Homer's last start. He threw 18 Curves and only 4 for strikes. His "misses" were not "tight" misses but wide. That's mechanical. He attempted 1 changeup that landed "at least 2 feet" in front of home plate.

    He's just not ready. He will be and when he is he will be good. Really good. He's just not ready.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Re: In case you are interested...

    I wouldnt judge on how Homer Bailey would do in the bigs by comparing him to Scott Mathieson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keeganbrick
    I wouldnt judge on how Homer Bailey would do in the bigs by comparing him to Scott Mathieson.
    I absolutely would. I have seen both pitch in person. Bailey 3 times. Mathieson 4. Are they exactly the same? Nope. HOWEVER, delivery, arm speed, pitches, arm action, finish, and projectability are almost all equal. Bailey has a higher ceiling in my opinion.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Quote Originally Posted by keeganbrick
    I wouldnt judge on how Homer Bailey would do in the bigs by comparing him to Scott Mathieson.
    Just in case you were wondering, Team Clark has probably forgotten more about how to judge prospects than most of us will ever know. I'm not saying you were getting into a pissing match with him, but it appeared to be headed that way. A wise person on this board once told me not to get into a pissing match with an empty bladder. Believe me, Team Clark has a full bladder when it comes to scouting and prospect topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman
    Just in case you were wondering, Team Clark has probably forgotten more about how to judge prospects than most of us will ever know. I'm not saying you were getting into a pissing match with him, but it appeared to be headed that way. A wise person on this board once told me not to get into a pissing match with an empty bladder. Believe me, Team Clark has a full bladder when it comes to scouting and prospect topics.
    dman, I appreciate the comments. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That is what makes this board so great. Thanks again for the kind words. I'm pretty good at my job but I am no Roy Clark.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark
    dman, I appreciate the comments. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That is what makes this board so great. Thanks again for the kind words. I'm pretty good at my job but I am no Roy Clark.
    You're right. I never want to deter somebody from expressing opinions. And sometimes things that are written (typed) come across a lot differently than what somebody wanted to convey.

    But you sir, are a welath of info when it comes to your trade, and I'm more than happy to stick up for you and pay you due hommage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman
    You're right. I never want to deter somebody from expressing opinions. And sometimes things that are written (typed) come across a lot differently than what somebody wanted to convey.

    But you sir, are a welath of info when it comes to your trade, and I'm more than happy to stick up for you and pay you due hommage.
    Sham and dman thank you both for the comments.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    Re: In case you are interested...

    Quote Originally Posted by dman
    Just in case you were wondering, Team Clark has probably forgotten more about how to judge prospects than most of us will ever know. I'm not saying you were getting into a pissing match with him, but it appeared to be headed that way. A wise person on this board once told me not to get into a pissing match with an empty bladder. Believe me, Team Clark has a full bladder when it comes to scouting and prospect topics.
    That's funny. I actually had just posted in the game thread how I didn't think there was a comparison between Mathieson and Bailey, but edited my post and completely changed my opinion (or it was changed after I was made aware of new info) after reading TC's post. Some might think that is stupid, but I've never seen Bailey pitch and TC has, I don't have a problem admitting when someone knows more than I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Shines 1B
    That's funny. I actually had just posted in the game thread how I didn't think there was a comparison between Mathieson and Bailey, but edited my post and completely changed my opinion (or it was changed after I was made aware of new info) after reading TC's post. Some might think that is stupid, but I've never seen Bailey pitch and TC has, I don't have a problem admitting when someone knows more than I.
    Bailey has all the tools and makeup of a sharp #1 pitching prospect. There's just a little more to it than that. I'll give you an idea of what I am talking about. I caught throughout my career and have caught guys with ridiculous "stuff" i.e. Isringhausen, Percival, K-Rod, Pulsipher before he went coo-koo and many others. When I first caught Izzy he only had a good fastball. Then came the slider and THEN came a really nice curve. It took him quite some time to pull all of that together. K-Rod's slider was so amazing in Angels camp that Big leaguers were coming over to watch him throw. This was in 2002 before anyone had really heard of him. Percival almost broke my thumb on several occasions.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    Re: In case you are interested...

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark
    In case anyone is interested in knowing how Homer Bailey would do in the bigs right now..... Tune into Fox and watch Scott Mathieson.

    Same type of fastabll, delivery and pitch selection. Scott like Homer has difficulty "consistently" throwing anything but his fastballs for strikes. Big leaguers can hit a 95+ MPH Fastball if they know it's coming.

    We had someone at Homer's last start. He threw 18 Curves and only 4 for strikes. His "misses" were not "tight" misses but wide. That's mechanical. He attempted 1 changeup that landed "at least 2 feet" in front of home plate.

    He's just not ready. He will be and when he is he will be good. Really good. He's just not ready.
    Wow I have been wondering how his curve was coming along, 4 out 18 sounds like it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Shines 1B
    Wow I have been wondering how his curve was coming along, 4 out 18 sounds like it's not.

    What's more amazing is that he is throwing 90+% Fastballs and is dominating. His fastaballs are straight as an arrow. Fortunately he has good deception and they just happen to be coming in at 96 MPH on avg.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    That was Homer's worst outing at AA this year as far as control is concerned. He also gave up what, 1 run even with those 5 or 6 walks he had through 6 innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keeganbrick
    That was Homer's worst outing at AA this year as far as control is concerned. He also gave up what, 1 run even with those 5 or 6 walks he had through 6 innings.
    Hey, I'm not saying Homer is crap. He's just not ready. He also touched 98MPH on the gun a handful of times. Not too shabby.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
    Cedric 3/24/08

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    Thanks for the info TC, always insightful.

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    I'm aware of what Team Clark does, Im not tryin to argue with his knowledge. I just believe Homer Bailey would be able to pitch to the Reds and not give up 6 ER in 3 1/3 innings though.
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