He's making a pant-load of money selling videos, books, doing clinics, etc. https://www.npadirect.com/vcc/design...tching/135138/Originally Posted by Jpup
He's making a pant-load of money selling videos, books, doing clinics, etc. https://www.npadirect.com/vcc/design...tching/135138/Originally Posted by Jpup
When all is said and done more is said than done.
I doubt you'd see many people "up in arms" if that scenario played out with Votto since 1) he's already on the 40 man and using an option year and 2) his time in the bigs to get 30-40 at-bats wouldn't really affect his arbitration time much. He'd still be able to get three full seasons in before being eligible. His situation is a bit different than Homer's.Originally Posted by kaldaniels
When did you watch him pitch? I'm not being a smartass, just wondering.Originally Posted by StillFunkyB
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.
Wednesday, August 16, 2006
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...608160362/1071HOMER UPDATE: As well as Homer Bailey has pitched, there's a possibility his season will be coming to an end shortly.
He has thrown 123 innings this year. That's near the limit the Reds want for a 20-year-old.
"We're cognizant of it," general manager Wayne Krivsky said. "You've got to be careful about it. What you always want is 30 innings more than the year before."
Bailey threw 1032/3 innings at Single-A Dayton last year.
SEPTEMBER CALL-UPS: Krivsky hasn't decided how many players will be called up when rosters expand Sept. 1.
"When you're in the race, you bring up more," he said. "You never know when a pinch runner could help you win a game. I can tell you cost won't be a factor."
The Reds will get an influx of arms around Sept. 1 as players come off the disabled list. Right-handers Gary Majewski, Jason Standridge and Matt Belisle all should be ready by then.
Outfielder Chris Denorfia is pretty much assured of a call-up.
Other players on the 40-man roster who would be candidates: infielders Ray Olmedo and Joey Votto, outfielder Brandon Watson, left-handers Michael Gosling and Phil Dumatrait and right-handers Ramirez and Mike Burns.
"Enjoy this Reds fans, you are watching a legend grow up before your very eyes" ... DoogMinAmo on Adam Dunn
Originally Posted by kaldaniels
I would say it comes into account "very little". You need the best 25 guys on your roster if at all possible. I'm sure it has happened at some point but I would have to say it happens very little.
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Cedric 3/24/08It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
Tom is very successful with his own business. Not sure if he would do it. Tom is a great mechanics guy. He'd be great in High A. Not that he couldn't be a ML PC again.Originally Posted by Jpup
Cedric 3/24/08It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
Totally agree. I'd love to see him get those AB's but that is highly unlikely at this point.Originally Posted by johngalt
Cedric 3/24/08It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
Isn't this the way it used to be, especially with phenomns? IIRC the Orioles did this with many of their starters through the years. Didn't Bonus Baby Koufax spend his first 4 or 5 years pitching mostly out of the 'pen? I think the Reds did this with Rijo the first year they had him.Originally Posted by STLRedsBacker
Seems to me lately, though, that pitchers get deemed "starter" or "reliever" before they ever get to the bigs. Then when a starter gets the call up he's thrust into that role as soon as possible, sometimes making his debut, without an amount of time in the 'pen to get used to the rigors of pitching against ML hitters. (Tomko and Josh Hall are 2 recent examples for the Reds.)
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Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
From the looks of it, I might be in the minority. I don't see the urgency to bring up Homer, even if it is in a relief roll. If the Reds are contending, and you are looking for a 20 year old AA player to put this team into the playoffs, there is something wrong. For one, he may have a fastball that could blow away a major league batter.... once.... if it is in the right spot. Major league batters can hit a 98 mph fastball. Especially when they see it a few times, and it doesn't move much. The only thing a 98 mph fastball would do at that point is fly farther when hit.
Besides, a lot of what most people know about Homer is what they hear about him dominating the level that he is pitching at. Not to say there aren't good players in AA, but there is another level above that before you even get to the Majors. The biggest difference between the levels is the adjustments that the hitters make. If you only have to adjust to one pitch, it makes the hitters job a whole lot easier. Let him develope his pitches. You learn so you can play in the majors, you don't play in the majors to learn (the basics that is). If you are still trying to learn about your own game and trying to get big leaguers out, you are going to get into some tough situations. There is a reason that there is a player developement side to baseball. Kids don't just come in ready to play on the big stage. The goal is not to get him good enough to help out, the goal is to get him to be as good as he can be. You don't accomplish that by telling him he is already good enough to play on the big league team. You do that by letting him play his way through the system.
I guess the best example in professional sports is Freddy Adu. This kid was suppose to be able to go into the MLS at 16 and absolutely dominate. He was supposed to change the face of soccer. He clearly wasn't ready to play in the MLS. He has struggled to become average. The reason he was supposed to be so good was because he could dominate at every level he had played at, but he hadn't played on a comparable stage to the MLS. He had failed to refine his game and adjust to professional soccer. Now, I know that it is kinda comparing apples and oranges here, but just because a kid succeeds at lower levels, it doesn't guaruntee anything. Yeah, Bailey could come up and dominate out of the bullpen throwing just fastballs. But there is just as good of a chance, if not better, that he gets rocked. Remember, he throws hard, but with not a lot of movement right now, and really no secondary pitches to speak of. Nothing to make a major leaguer do anything but sit on a fastball anyway. That will all come down the road. But right now, if hitters can sit on one pitch, their jobs just got a whole lot easier.
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