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Thread: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

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    Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Back in April there were some rumors about a EE-Willis trade. Many of us said that we would do the trade in a heartbeat. Some said Willis is a young, legit ace and we could trade Edwin because we had a plethora of hitting. Well today I pose the same question. If you could deal Edwin for Willis would you do it?


    Tale of the Tape:


    Edwin Encarnacion
    Age- 23
    At-bats- 225
    hits- 77
    runs- 40
    doubles- 24
    homers- 11
    rbis- 55
    batting average- .302
    on base- .391
    slugging- .533
    ops- .924

    Dontrelle Willis (only the W-L, ERA, GS, CG, and HRs includes tonight's start)
    Age- 24
    wins- 7
    losses- 10
    era- 4.14
    innings pitched- 159
    strike outs- 105
    walks- 58
    hits- 178
    hrs- 15
    gs- 26
    cg- 3
    whip- 1.49

    career whip- 1.30
    career era- 3.44


    Simple question, would you trade Edwin for Willis?

    I vote no.
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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Yes, I would still do it in a heartbeat. EdE is one of my favorites, but it's easier to find a 3b than it is a #1 pitcher.
    Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!

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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD
    Yes, I would still do it in a heartbeat. EdE is one of my favorites, but it's easier to find a 3b than it is a #1 pitcher.
    Willis's numbers aren't very good. He is a #3 for us it seems. Unless Arroyo never finds it again, then he is a 2.

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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    I know Pitching is the name of the game and all but..

    As most of you know, I've been on Edwins bandwagon for two years now.
    I like this kid and really believe we have something special here.

    It's been almost as hard for the Reds to bring up good 3rd basemen as it has been to bring up good pitchers.

    Let's hope WK can bring in some pitching while holding on to Adam Dunn and Edwin Encarnacion.

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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Not a chance if it were up to me.

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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden
    I know Pitching is the name of the game and all but..

    As most of you know, I've been on Edwins bandwagon for two years now.
    I like this kid and really believe we have something special here.

    It's been almost as hard for the Reds to bring up good 3rd basemen as it has been to bring up good pitchers.

    Let's hope WK can bring in some pitching while holding on to Adam Dunn and Edwin Encarnacion.
    That would be my plan. Build the entire team around EE and Dunner.
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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Voted yes but with a more detailed reason. I honestly feel that as a trading chip Dontrelle may be the kind of guy that could truly help restock a teams over all depth and fast track a team back into contention alot quicker.

    To clarify yes to the trade. Then flip Dtrain for a huge over prospect haul.
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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Personally, I never would have dealt EE for Willis. I would have however dealt EE in a deal that included Willis AND Cabrera. That discussion I would still have.

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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    in a second.
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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Not unless the Reds are going to suddenly bump their payroll to the 80-90 million range. And even then I would have to think long and hard about it.

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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Is Jerry Narron allowed to vote and how many times?

    Seriously.. I would do the deal straight up Encarnacion for Willis but only on two conditions. Only if the deal is done in the Offseason, or if we are out of the race come July 31st and we can plug a Ryan Freel/Rich Aurilia/..dang..Juan Castro in. If it were to happen during the offseason like right at the Winter Meetings and that gave us all offseason to scout out a above average 3rd baseman. Edwin is as close to untouchable but if it were for D-Train I think you have to pull that trigger.

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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    I think it's really foolish for any club to identify (either internally or publicly) any player as untouchable. Doing so limits the options available to improve the roster and puts you at a distinct disadvantage.

    edE for Willis? Great question. I'm interested to hear the disccussion re: the most accurate metric that compares hitters and pitchers.

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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    nope. He's starting to show the wear of all those innings on that still young arm. I think last year was an incredible hiccup in what has been a trend of declining effectiveness.

    Just a hunch, but I'd say he headed for a bigger drop next year too.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    I said no before and said no again. I worry that he's slowing down and see him being very ave. talking about D!
    And This One Belongs to the REDS!!!

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    Re: Revisiting an Old Trade Rumor

    Willis' mechanics and that he's played in a very friendly pitcher's park tells me no. There are a number of young starters I'd be happy to trade him for, even excluding Liriano and Hernandez, Willis just isn't among them.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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