OBP numbers from BP

[flyer85]

I found it interesting

The seven-out-of-10 thing comes from the archaic belief that a .300 batting average was the threshold of greatness. It totally discounts getting on base by other means. Guys who fail to reach base seven out of 10 times are not much good to their teams unless they have a prodigious amount of extra base hits. Not so surprisingly, most of the guys whose failure rate is over 70 percent don't have a lot of those either.
Here are the players with the lowest OBPs (minimum 300 plate appearances). The two lowest figures are representatives of tonight's opponents:
Player Team OBP
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Angel Berroa KCA .262
Juan Uribe CHA .271
Clint Barmes COL .273
Yadier Molina SLN .277
Ronny Cedeno CHN .279
Jeffrey Francoeur ATL .283
Jeromy Burnitz PIT .293
Adam Everett HOU .293
Brad Ausmus HOU .296
Reggie Sanders KCA .296
Pedro Feliz SFN .296
Bobby Crosby OAK .297
Carl Everett SEA .297
Rod Barajas TEX .297
Ken Griffey Jr. CIN .298
Of these 15 men, only four have positive VORPs: Griffey, 8.8; Uribe, 3; Feliz, 1.4 and Barajas, 0.6. The next dozen, which includes everybody up to .309, add four more positives, the highest of which is Miguel Olivo of the Marlins at 12.3. In other words, if you're adhering to the cliché and failing seven out of 10 times, you are pretty much failing.

[UC_Ken]

What does this have to do with BP?

[ochre]

Beisbol Prospectus

[NJReds]

Does VORP take into account defense. Molina plays mostly for his defense. Does his superior defense make up for that lack of offense, or is a team better off using Mike Piazza at catcher and letting the opposition run at will (according to VORP)?

[Razor Shines]

What does this have to do with BP?

When I clicked on the title I thought it was about Brandon Phillips also.

[flyer85]

Does VORP take into account defense?

It does not.

[BigREDSfaninKY]

Pardon me, but what is VORP?

[ochre]

Value over replacement player(s)

[UC_Ken]

My bad, I wasn't thinking this morning.

[Razor Shines]

Kind of shocking to see that Francoeur has a negative VORP (-5.6). He has 81 RBI and has scored 62 runs. But it has taken him 11% of the Braves PAs to compile those numbers, which is the highest % of PAs of anyone with a negative VORP. Including him there are only 5 players in all of baseball with that have a negative VORP and have taken up 10% or more their teams total plate appearances. With Clint Barmes for the Rockies being the worst with a -11.2 VORP, that's eating up some outs.

[TOBTTReds]

Kind of shocking to see that Francoeur has a negative VORP (-5.6). He has 81 RBI and has scored 62 runs. But it has taken him 11% of the Braves PAs to compile those numbers, which is the highest % of PAs of anyone with a negative VORP. Including him there are only 5 players in all of baseball with that have a negative VORP and have taken up 10% or more their teams total plate appearances. With Clint Barmes for the Rockies being the worst with a -11.2 VORP, that's eating up some outs.

Yeah, I guess if you think about it, Dunn could probably have around 95 RBI's if he swung at everything like Francoeur, but he would also make a ton more outs and score fewer runs. So when people think Dunn should be more aggressive, maybe we need to look at guys like Francoeur and realize that might be what Dunn would be like if he was that more aggressive, just with more power.

I'm not trying to start a "Dunn should be more/less aggressive" argument, but just recognizing that impatient hitters tend to be poor hitters. There are few exceptions like Vlad, who is a freak and gets on base with a lot of hits, a lot of which are xbh.

[Raisor]

Jeff Francoeur is the kind of player that all the people that complain about Dunn think Dunn is.