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    Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    For all the good that Krivsky did this year, he was unable to solidify the 4th and 5th starter spots. And the refusal to bring up Homer Bailey for that role..........will cost us a playoff berth.

    Oh well. There's always next year.
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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed
    For all the good that Krivsky did this year, he was unable to solidify the 4th and 5th starter spots. And the refusal to bring up Homer Bailey for that role..........will cost us a playoff berth.

    Oh well. There's always next year.
    I don't think bringing up a guy that can only throw "4 out of 18 curve balls for strikes" (I believe that's what was posted) is going to be the difference in making or not making the playoffs this year. I'd be all for bringing up Homer if he was ready but by most accounts he is not.
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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed
    For all the good that Krivsky did this year, he was unable to solidify the 4th and 5th starter spots. And the refusal to bring up Homer Bailey for that role..........will cost us a playoff berth.

    Oh well. There's always next year.
    Harang
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    Lohse those are 4 starters that with the division being as weak as it is can get us to the playoffs. We definitely need a guy who can compete for the fifth spot and hopefully the lizard can learn a thing or two down in AAA. Bailey is definitely not the answer at this time in his career. Heck we are still in the thick of this thing.

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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5
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    Bailey is definitely not the answer at this time in his career.
    We don't know that...and we won't know that this season.

    As much as I want to see this kid up here, it's probably the right decision not bringing him up.

    My heart and head battle on this debate
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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    One would hope we could at least learn from the mistakes we made bringing Wags up too quickly a few years back. No sense in having him come up, do awesome in his first start b/c no one's seen him, then just get shelled as big leaguers see him again. Then we end up putting him in the bullpen, he becomes a whatever middle reliever and we all rehash what "could have been" for the next 5-7 years.

    It's hard to do when we're in the middle of a postseason race for the first time in a while, but patience is the key here. Get that breaking ball over for strikes Homer; once you do, you're gonna be a star for years to come for our boys in Cincy.
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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Lately it's been the lack of hitting, more than anything else, that is hurting this ball club.

    In three of the last four games the Reds have scored 0, 1 and 3 runs.

    All losses. Even excellent starting pitching will not overcome that.

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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Our offense isn't exactly helping us out lately.

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    I say bring up Homer. The lift this guy would give the team would be out of this world. I guess I am being impatient but you never know how many more chances the next few years that we will have a shot at the post season. 11 years is too long not being in the playoffs.
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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by goreds2
    I say bring up Homer. The lift this guy would give the team would be out of this world. I guess I am being impatient but you never know how many more chances the next few years that we will have a shot at the post season. 11 years is too long not being in the playoffs.
    I have not read or heard one single baseball expert say that Homer is ready for the major leagues yet.

    In fact, all of them say that he is not yet ready.

    They're not keeping him down there to punish him or keep a championship from us.

    He simply is not ready; he's a kid who needs seasoning and to learn how to pitch.

    How would he lift this team? By bursting the bubble when he gets hit or has no command?

    Can he hit? Because that's what this team needs right now.

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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Dunn has fallen into a major funk right as Griff was coming out of his. Combine that with Phillips and Ross not hitting and you've got a problem.

    Does anyone else think that it looks like Edwin is going for jacks alot more now? Usually they just happen, but he seems to be popping balls up and rolling over grounders more.

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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsFanatic
    Does anyone else think that it looks like Edwin is going for jacks alot more now? Usually they just happen, but he seems to be popping balls up and rolling over grounders more.
    I was at the game today and didn't get a good look, but I do think he is trying to yank em. The one good sign is that he did for one. Usually when guys do that, they don't hit one. Rolling over grounders wouldn't be the result of trying to jack one, maybe topping the ball. Rolling one up would be the result of the top hand coming through too early and having the bat roll over top the ball (maybe you really didn't mean that though).

    Sadly, the one pitch I missed all night was because a kid near me had to get through and I didn't realize, so I looked to my right, and BOOM, EdE goes yard! Atleast he did.

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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    It is only our 5th starter that is giving us problems at the moment. Bailey is def not going to be brought up as a starter now with his pitch count this year, possibly bullpen. But we still need to try to address our #5 starter and I dont mean throw Franklin out there.
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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by keeganbrick
    It is only our 5th starter that is giving us problems at the moment. Bailey is def not going to be brought up as a starter now with his pitch count this year, possibly bullpen. But we still need to try to address our #5 starter and I dont mean throw Franklin out there.
    It sounds like he is going to be shut down for the season soon. If not, then I'm guessing he comes up for some BP action.

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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    I would think you'd have to bring Bailey up for some BP action in September with all the injuries. Especially if they end up moving Franklin to the rotation.
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    Re: Failure to find 4th and 5th starters will keep us from playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed
    For all the good that Krivsky did this year, he was unable to solidify the 4th and 5th starter spots. And the refusal to bring up Homer Bailey for that role..........will cost us a playoff berth.

    Oh well. There's always next year.
    Guys like M2 and me have been ringing this bell all season.

    It's not the bullpen, stupid.

    It's the starters.


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