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    Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    Bronson Arroyo: "We can't afford this," said Arroyo. "The Cardinals pulled out two good ones the last two days. We have to eliminate some mistakes we're making on the mound and push some runs across the plate."

    The Reds (aside from Arroyo and Hatteberg) don't like hearing "must win". They only like "do the best you can, see you tommorow." Sorry fellas, this is the FINALS of the game, there are must win games, and despite your offseason fishing prowess, you, as a professional, will be measured by how you perform in them.

    Win. These are the days of winners and losers. No alternatives.

    On another note, after the last five years, it's nice to even have the option!
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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    The "We'll get them tomorrow" attitude is that which kept this ballclub in the bottom part of the division the last few years.
    At this time of the year, when the ballclub is so close, they must play day to day, game by game. A team which does not give 100 percent every game while in the playoff hunt will find itself watching the playoffs.

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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    On another note, after the last five years, it's nice to even have the option!
    That's poison to any team. Just to settle for being better and not the best. Makes it easier to lose.


    The "We'll get them tomorrow" attitude is that which kept this ballclub in the bottom part of the division the last few years.
    So true, and yet so many are satisfied to just contend. Being a winner means you have to really get upset when you lose when you should win. We've been there many times this year when our team lost when we all knew in our hearts that it was out there for us, but we didn't do it. Pity.

    I'm not satisfied with a winning record. Nothing less than the playoffs will do. If not that a winning record is, in the words of Sam Rayburn, "a warm pitcher of spit."
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    So true, and yet so many are satisfied to just contend. Being a winner means you have to really get upset when you lose when you should win. We've been there many times this year when our team lost when we all knew in our hearts that it was out there for us, but we didn't do it. Pity.
    What does that mean exactly? Should the players get mad and throw things out of the dougout? Should they stomp up and down and yell like maniacs? Should they make rash, emotional statements to the press?

    Not sure what it is you'd like them to do? And if they do those things, how does that help them win more games?
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    While it is certainly possible that guys were loafing the last two days, or that Arroyo wasn't as focused as he felt he needed to be, this game is much too complex for "trying harder" to net much in the way of results. But it is necessary for a ballplayer and managers to think this way, I suppose.
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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner
    What does that mean exactly? Should the players get mad and throw things out of the dougout? Should they stomp up and down and yell like maniacs? Should they make rash, emotional statements to the press?

    Not sure what it is you'd like them to do? And if they do those things, how does that help them win more games?
    Personally, I want to see them stomp up an down when they fail.

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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner
    What does that mean exactly? Should the players get mad and throw things out of the dougout? Should they stomp up and down and yell like maniacs? Should they make rash, emotional statements to the press?

    Not sure what it is you'd like them to do? And if they do those things, how does that help them win more games?
    I wouldn't mind seeing a little bit of emotion right now. Maybe Jerry needs to get tossed and throw all the bats out of the rack onto the field and kick a little dirt toward the umpires. Might be inspiring to see Jr. get totally out of character and get thrown out of a game. Sometimes it takes something like that to get a team going in a pennant race.
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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan
    That's poison to any team. Just to settle for being better and not the best. Makes it easier to lose.


    So true, and yet so many are satisfied to just contend. Being a winner means you have to really get upset when you lose when you should win. We've been there many times this year when our team lost when we all knew in our hearts that it was out there for us, but we didn't do it. Pity.

    I'm not satisfied with a winning record. Nothing less than the playoffs will do. If not that a winning record is, in the words of Sam Rayburn, "a warm pitcher of spit."
    If you truly want to avoid settling "for being better and not the best" then shouldn't your last paragraph read "Nothing less than a World Series victory will do?"

    Does a winning record and a first round playoff loss really mean more than a "warm pitcher of spit?" If so, how?

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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    Cincinnati.com/Cincinnati Enquirer:

    (Jerry Narron on the remaining schedual)

    "We'll come out of it," Narron said. "We'll play well. All of us knew it was going to be a battle to the end. You've got to keep after it and playing hard like we are."
    Playing hard wasn't a part of the game yesterday. Why Narron said that after a game where Randy Winn was given 2 extra bases on a play where Phillips should of the cut off man and not jumping in front of a dart to Edwin that allowed Winn to score. Sorry but playing hard hasn't been a big part of Bronsons game as of late either. Not only did he just serve that breaking ball to Shea but here is his stats since going 9-3:

    1-6 (13 Starts) 4.84 ERA 19 HR 26 BB 67 K 159 Hits

    You'd think catching St. Louis for the division lead would be motivation to go out there and keep pace. I hope they can regain themselves with Lohse on the hill and heading into a series with the Dodgers who since sweeping the Reds are 14-7. I love the Reds but they've excited us to the point where Playoffs are now a must. Ownership has stated we want to win now. So us as fans are led to believe that is what to expect.

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    Bronson shouldn't have been out there in the 7th in the first place.
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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    The Reds allowed four runs in each of the last two losses to the Giants. The team's ERA is closer to 5. So four runs is an average game for the pitchers. Not a big performance, but average.

    The Reds scored one in each game. A home run accounted for each run. Nothing else. This is poor.

    The Reds are trying. They just have a "feast or famine" offense centered around home runs and walks. They don't get a lot of base hits. The Reds have to step up offensively or, I believe, Krivsky will trade more "key" players in the off-season.

    I believe that losing in pro sports, particularly in baseball with its long season, is usually not because of poor effort. It is usually because of talent level, mix of players, or injury.

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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    yesterday's loss could be from over-aggressiveness....freel getting caught stealing at third after two consecutive base hits to start an inning killed a potential rally.......
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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    There are a couple of threads from three days ago praising this team's heart and never-say-die attitude. Three days later, they're a bunch of quitters?

    I swear this forum needs to start taking lithium.
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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool
    There are a couple of threads from three days ago praising this team's heart and never-say-die attitude. Three days later, they're a bunch of quitters?

    I swear this forum needs to start taking lithium.
    How do you know the same people are making the same posts? Generalizing things never really works.
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    Re: Our team doesn't like hearing this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric
    Generalizing things never really works.


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